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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11113.msg135296#msg135296 date=1302028643] there is no standard definition of OB What do you mean by a standard definition. Please, present a standard definition of any language. [/quote] There isn't a single uni…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11113.msg135283#msg135283 date=1302025476] Is the town 15 miles away a different dialect? I'd guess not. But Newcastle might be. Scotland (with many variants) must surely be.[/quote] Father Peter, linguistically…
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Thank you jydeacon. GB, as a sociolect of the Coptic Church in Egypt and the diaspora, is the standard dialect. There is no question about. It doesn't matter how it came into existence. And I personally feel it is not as neat and enriching as OB but…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11113.msg135095#msg135095 date=1301814745] "Are we to assume that in a single pronunciation scheme or accent, a word can have multiple pronunciations and still exhibit one meaning? If OB has 2 pronunciations for eu,…
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Ophadece, I thought I went out of my way to respond faithfully to your posts. Even if you're right that /awka/ is Sahidic and /awsha/ is Bohairic, that would be 2 different dialects. This is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about 2 ways withi…
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Mina, I disagree. all of the other events I mentioned are entirely separate, a special occasion for each. There is only 1 time we commemorate the betrayal of Judas. We even have an actual act or processing or moving around the church. Yet are we ena…
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Hmmm. Do you know of any language where a single word has multiple pronunciation and display the same meaning? I know English has words where phonetics is used to differentiate between meanings. For example, record as a noun is pronounced one way, w…
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I would venture to say that none[/] of the converts or potential converts to the Coptic church have ever argued or requested the Coptic language be removed or limited to improve or grow their own faith in the Coptic Church. It has always been the "p…
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I don't see the logic. How does the date of its introduction into the rite have anything to do with what it is or what it is called? In all books (with the exception of HCOC's Deacon Servant Book) nothing is said about the date of the introduction. …
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I got flagged as spam again. imikhail's post is in red. Then listen to this (copy and paste the link) http://translate.google.com/#en|el|greeting Sorry, I can't tell if he is saying /sher tis mos/ or /chair tis mos/. Honestly, it sounds like it …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11113.msg135070#msg135070 date=1301800354] Then listen to this (copy and paste the link) http://translate.google.com/#en|el|greeting [/quote] Sorry, I can't tell if he is saying /sher tis mos/ or /chair tis mos/. …
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I spent a good half hour responding to Ophadece's post and it got marked as spam. I have no idea how to get it back so I'm rewriting it. Ophadece's original message is in red. In fact, Mr. Erian Guirguis in his book comments on the Egyptians (as t…
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I don't think so. I believe Godlovesme is correct. The Greeks pronounce it /khaire/
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I know there is a difference. But there is no Holy Spirit consecration in the other events I mentioned, yet we do not call them enactments. I can't imagine someone saying, "The Judas Enactment" or the "Washing of the Feet Enactment" on Pascha Thursd…
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[quote author=GODlovesme link=topic=11113.msg135058#msg135058 date=1301795269] In Classical Greek, the greeting is "Khairete!" which literally means "be glad" or "rejoice." It's pronounced as a "kh" sound, not as "sh." I believe this is the 2nd pe…
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Ophadece, you're right. I need to learn Arabic to read Erian' Moftah's book. See my comments below. [quote author=ophadece link=topic=11113.msg134698#msg134698 date=1301505139] In fact, Mr. Erian Guirguis in his book comments on the Egyptians (as t…
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[quote author=GODlovesme link=topic=11113.msg134794#msg134794 date=1301551093] the first thing they taught us in Greek class was the Alphabet and its pronunciations...for the letter "X," it's described as being pronounced like a "c" as in "cat" or a…
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Since we're talking about pet peeves, I have another one. Why do we all the "Resurrection enactment" an enactment at all? As implied in previous posts, an enactment implies theatrics and sensory enticement. Theatrics, everyone knows, takes away from…
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Kasatkin, I don't mean to bring things down or be negative but I honestly think the problem with unity lies more in EO side, then the Oriental side. My experience has been that once a Catholic or Protestant hears I am Coptic, the first question is…
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Mina, what about the Great Lent vespers that Ibrahim Ayad did and was brodcasted on CTV/Agape last year. Is it on this site?
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Since you're all interested in O Kirios, I will be presenting a talk about O Kirios and Coptic bilingualism. at St Shenouda the Archimandrite Coptic Society in Los Angeles in July. Come and attend. Jeremy I'll get back to you on the specific topics…
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Yes, I was referring to the priest parts.
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=10771.msg133829#msg133829 date=1300917100] I hope, God willing, to explore exactly this in my future work, with an eye toward studying the effect of the pronunciation reform on the shaping of and/or defense of Copti…
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Jydeacon, Oniatk o demas is the last part of the Confession of the thief. Oniatk o demas is on this site as well as Albair's book. I'm looking for the beginning part of the Confession of the thief in Greek/Coptic as it was recorded on HCOC's produc…
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Zoxsasi, It depends on how you define atrocities and it depends on how reliable are historians. According to church historians, under Pope Theophilus the "last" pagan temple, the Serapion was destroyed in 391 (not the Alexandrian library). Is this …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=10771.msg133823#msg133823 date=1300915167] To me, the premise upon which GB was built and the way it was built by one person's own opinion and judgment, makes GB a fake pronunciation. Unless we dispute this fact, t…
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Believe it or not Jeremy, I agree with everything you said in your last point. I would only stress, as you have already shown, that we need to quantify how "to treat OB and GB differently". We should treat them differently! - As long as treating t…
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Mina, any ideas? I'm sure if you had the text, you would have already put it in the lyrics library. Anybody else have the text?
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It's not frustration at other people's opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's frustration for people claiming their opinion is fact based on broad generalizations. And for what it's worth. I have no idea what you said. But you're ent…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=10771.msg133766#msg133766 date=1300898658] i don't think he is debating for GB. he is debating on putting GB and OB on the same level. [/quote] I'm actually trying to stop people who make statements like "GB is …