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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=10771.msg133616#msg133616 date=1300813681] Dear Remenkimi, The claim of that Bassili family is unfounded. Mr. Erian Moftah himself mentions in his book, the origin of all controversy, that Pope Cyril IV "ordered" hi…
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This is not exactly what I was talking about. I'm sorry I was not clear. I'm not saying other languages don't have multiple phenomes for letters (which have been called inconsistencies), I'm saying OB displays random linguistic choices. [quote auth…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=10771.msg133599#msg133599 date=1300802554] I am referring to Coptic names like Esedoros, Bawla, Tawadoros, Bastawros, Tawfilos, Tawdosius, ...etc where it is clear we have a different pronunciation in GB like Esozor…
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Thanks Mina for the clarification. If I understand you correctly, then the actual text in the original audio recording (not the Abouna Ishaya version) is not written down in any book. It was extracted by HCOC and modified to the text in HCOC's 2nd e…
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imakhail, How do we know that Coptic names used today (I'm assuming you're speaking of names of Egyptian cities) are not originally found in Sahidic, Akhmimi, Fayummic Coptic? Or Demotic or Egyptian (ie, pre-Roman occupation language)? How do we kn…
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Excuse my ignorance, but why is it called Zimasha?
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Yes I would like to see that text too. Anybody have any idea where to find the Greek text used in HCOC's recordings?
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Mina, this can't be the entire text from HCOC's recording. Is there more? Also, it is impossible to make out what the words are in the audio recording. Can you verify that he is or is not using the text found in the lyrics library? And if he is not…
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Jeremy, Thank you for responding. It's not often that I get to discuss Coptic linguistics with an actual certified linguist. I hope you understand that my intenion is not to argue for the sake of arguing but to explore linguistic evidence in support…
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Sorry I missed this topic 2 years ago. I have 2 questions. 1. Is the text in the hymns lyrics library the text used in Albair's recording? 2. Does anyone have the pre-corrected text found in the audio recording souce. (The one that Amoussa01 says t…
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Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a fake language. These unfounded statements only show that we either don't know what linguistic, social, anthropological science is or we are too biased to recognize that statments like this are opi…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=10771.msg133082#msg133082 date=1300227331] I am not sure how an artificial language could be called a language. We have manuscripts that show the person who changed Bohairic to its current form. So, how can we say t…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=10771.msg133128#msg133128 date=1300279345] Very well said dzheremi. Strong comments, and proofs. My main point against (not really against, but understanding where they come from) Remenkimi and Fr. Peter is that the…
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I'd like to address some points. I appreciate the arguments presented. [quote author=dzheremi link=topic=10771.msg133094#msg133094 date=1300233397] First, to the easier question about real "real" Coptic. As a general principle by which linguistics …
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=10963.msg132822#msg132822 date=1299992057] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=10963.msg132820#msg132820 date=1299988183] What are you talking about Mina? There is a special vesper service that is found in the Powe…
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[quote author=jydeacon link=topic=10771.msg133064#msg133064 date=1300206807] You are probably used to Greco-Bohairic which is a mix between greek and bohairic. Its supposedly a false way of pronunciation. The "true" pronunciation or most accurate is…
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What are you talking about Mina? There is a special vesper service that is found in the Powerpoint presentation. Additional hymns include the Verse of Cymbals for the 24 priests, the doxology of the 24 priest, Niethnos tiro in the procession. Also …
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[quote author=Cyril97 link=topic=10515.msg128099#msg128099 date=1295988485] Seriously, His or The? I know it is not a big difference, but I need to know the right translation. Cyril [/quote] Neither...and both. In Coptic je af,w `noumetiwt `m`vry] …
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[quote author=epchois_nai_nan link=topic=10941.msg132661#msg132661 date=1299763750] [quote author=jydeacon link=topic=10941.msg132423#msg132423 date=1299615134] Without it, you are in essence saying, Jesus Christ fasts for us, not fasted. [/quote] …
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Cyril, I made New Athanasius in 1992 so there would be one font with jencom instead of 3 like Antonios. The difference is font mapping. Pressing one key with the New Athanasius font may give you a different letter than CS New Athanasius. That's t…
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Something in this story seems odd. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. [quote author=Godislove_ link=topic=7248.msg96129#msg96129 date=1224637323] A Muslim man in Egypt killed his wife and then buried her with their infant baby and 8-year old daughter. The…
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=7629.msg100211#msg100211 date=1234410729] Fr. Bishoy is the first Coptic Priest ordained on United States soil. Fr. Gabriel Abdelsayed, of blessed memory, is the First Priest ordained for service in the Unite…
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=10667.msg130042#msg130042 date=1297166276] Wake-up guys, do not beguiled by intended photo-ops that are allowed for the Western Media? [/quote] Speaking of photo-ops, when they showed medical care on CTV, my a…
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[quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=10626.msg130033#msg130033 date=1297154136] No. That actually means that Christ is not being crucified because of Pilate's power. It was His Will. [/quote] Yes I know Christ willed to be crucified. But could not this …
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Fr Peter, Yes St. Shenoute's monastery is near Atripe. But again there is no real proof that this Atripe is the origin of the tune any more than the Ancient city of Athribis in the Delta. Also, consider that Atripe had a different name in Roman Egy…
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[quote author=. link=topic=10644.msg129953#msg129953 date=1297108388] I would tend to agree. But why would they call it "Atribby" if it didn't come from "Atrib"? But yeah, it still isn't any solid proof. [/quote] I can think of a few possible reas…
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Dzheremi, I would go a step farther and say, "Pharonic Egyptian origins are possible for Coptic music but no specific lineage can be proven or discredited." I would add that Marian Robertson in her commentaries and articles commented that she had…
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[quote author=epchois_nai_nan link=topic=10626.msg130006#msg130006 date=1297125023] "And when He had said these things, one of the officers who stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, “Do You answer the high priest like that?” Jesus…
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That link only gives a summary of archeological evidence of a city of Atrib. It says nothing about music. Just because the Paschal hymn is known as El-Atribby, it doesn't mean the tune is pharonic. There isn't any corroborating evidence that this tu…
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Having presented a paper at St Shenouda Coptic Society in LA titled, "Coptic ethnomusicology, the Current State of Research from 1976", I can tell you with no question in my mind, that 1. There is no musicological, documentary, or recording evidenc…