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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11903.msg142084#msg142084 date=1311866622] Before I go back to that point, churches which belong to the church of England in Egypt, or any other Arab-speaking country for that matter: how long does it take for them …
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11903.msg142148#msg142148 date=1311913476] I find this a bit ironic - considering you are a member of the HCOC. Why expend all the energy and time learning and recording hymns in Coptic? Why not record them all in…
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I have advocated a multi-cultural model found in the early Apostolic period (no Greek vs. Jew, no male vs. female, no Copt vs. convert). This was found more recently in pre-20th century Egypt. In this model, Copts live alongside non-Copts, learning …
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11903.msg142001#msg142001 date=1311749781] DEar Zoxsasi, You aren't getting imikhail's point. If those Kenyans pray in the Coptic church they would follow the Coptic liturgy, otherwise form their own church of kenya…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11903.msg141955#msg141955 date=1311690714] Secondly, if multiple Churches occupy the same space and the only difference is culture, then there is no unity. The unity is in the faith and not culture. The early Churc…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11903.msg141954#msg141954 date=1311690010] But they are forcing their culture by ostracizing everyone who is not Coptic. Zoxasi gave some examples. I gave some examples. These examples do not depict forcing anything…
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imikhail, I am convinced you read only half of my posts and reply with 4-10 separate posts with questions and comments that I already addressed in my original message. Please read the entire post. I'll explain below. [quote author=imikhail link=topi…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11903.msg141944#msg141944 date=1311669435] This will never happen. Again, the Coptic music does not suit the Western ear [/quote] Does Coptic music suit the Coptic ear? When 95%+ of the Copts know less than 5% of ou…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11903.msg141918#msg141918 date=1311624835] they are just as culturally inclined as any Copt you're likely to meet.[/quote] Jeremy, don't misunderstand me. Cultural experience is integrally involved with the Christia…
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I happen to partially agree with Zoxasi. A priest once told me that we have become a "moulokhia church". What he meant was we, as Egyptians, have become so wrapped up and we are expecting a cultural church rather than a spiritual church. Moulokhia i…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=11736.msg140563#msg140563 date=1309464611] Remenkimi, when you return, please give us a short summary of Hany N. Takla's, The Sale of Dismembered Manuscripts of Coptic Egypt on eBay. Update Report. Thanks! [/quote] …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141445#msg141445 date=1310604361] May be if you do some research, statements like OB can be traced to the pre Christianity (thousands of years). This proves authenticity. GB is an invention that dates to 1…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141444#msg141444 date=1310603331] Are you being sarcastic or are you being ignorant.[/quote] Sarcastic. But if you can't tell the difference, don't accuse me of being ignorant. You keep claiming yourself t…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141426#msg141426 date=1310579020] Thanks ophadece for the comment. Now, I know what Reminkimi is referring to. "Who Knows" is pronounced beeyatcown "Who does not know" is pronounced bee'atcown there is v…
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dzhermi, What the quote is saying is that full manuscripts (full books of the Bible, full hagiographical saint stories, heuremetics (sermons), and liturgical texts) are dated to the ninth century. Very small fragments (sometimes not even a sentence …
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Thank you markh113. This is exactly what I was trying to say. Maybe another example will help. There was a question on another forum about walking on the altar with shoes. One person questioned how can someone walk in the altar with shoes on. I be…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141412#msg141412 date=1310565869] OB can be traced to the pre Christianity (thousands of years). This proves authenticity. GB is an invention that dates to 1858 [/quote] It's statements like this that rea…
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Fr Peter, I hope you now realize that I am not disagreeing with you. I was not talking specifically to selling non-fasting food in a festival. I was simply showing that we should not judge it to be 100% wrong. [quote author=Father Peter link=topic=…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11829.msg141330#msg141330 date=1310481786] Look at Romans 14:3: "The one who eats everything (meat is specified in this chapter) must not treat with contempt the one who does not (i.e., the one who fasts), and the …
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[quote author=geomike link=topic=11829.msg141361#msg141361 date=1310497578] You are giving people who are still learning about orthodoxy and reading this thread as we speak think it is okay to not fast if you have a good reason.[/quote] Don't put wo…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11828.msg141353#msg141353 date=1310491619] Dear Remenkimi, I fail to understand why your unshakable defence of Greco-Bohairic in such a manner, when you are someone who are well-learned.[/quote] You misunderstand me…
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[quote author=Timothym link=topic=11828.msg141362#msg141362 date=1310499053] That being the case, the old kholagies (euchologion) before Aryan Moftah must have had the old spelling is that so? Also, if this is the case, then there must be some old k…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141349#msg141349 date=1310490482] In OB "e" is always said "a" as in man[/quote] If that is true, then Senou] must be pronounced Shanoudi, not Shanouda, since the last vowel is not e. Please, provide an e…
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Yes Father Peter, There is no obvious reason to sell non-fasting food in a festival during fasting time. No people are not starving in church and there is other food available. But that doesn't mean there is no non-obvious reason to sell non-fasti…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11828.msg141311#msg141311 date=1310459774] Dear kmeka001, As imikhail said /shenouda/ is generally Sa'idic, and /shenoudi/ is generally Bohairic, although "shenoti piarshimanedritis" is totally wrong in my opinion (…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11828.msg141341#msg141341 date=1310485818] It seems to me every generation comes of a new way of saying things in Coptic. The reason is that we try to apply "rules" to pronunciation. These rules change every 5 - 10 …
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Please don't get me wrong. We are all saying the same thing. It comes down to intention. Choosing to defy the fasting canon is wrong. Showing an act of mercy changes the intention. There are more than one way to show acts of mercy. One may be to eat…
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ILSM, You are right, legal name is different than linguistic pronunciation. I would quantify your claim by stating, "living" bishops or patriarchs go by the name they were given. Pope Cyril I is never, ever called Kyrillos in any English history ac…
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I know this is about the topic but since someone brought up Hoshani tune, does anyone know the etymology of the Arabic word "shaneen"? It is not an Arabic word. My guess is that it is derived from Hoshaneen, which is probably the plural form of Hosh…
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[quote author=geomike link=topic=11829.msg141296#msg141296 date=1310444483] No, it's still 100% wrong. Even if you aren't doing good works it doesn't mean that you can eat anything you want. If you find that you are lazy there is still a reward if y…