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Bump I was hoping someone would comment and let me know if there is a flaw in my argument. Does the silence mean everyone agrees?
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I think the prime reason is St Athanasius' Feastal letter 39. (I think that's the number). He doesn't include some of the deutrocanonical books, even though St Athanasius quotes from the Septuagint.
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13615.msg159505#msg159505 date=1346426871] When it comes to matter of faith, the Fathers, accepted to in the Church, are to be quoted. We cannot use theologians after the Schism and quote them as an authoritative re…
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[quote author=JG link=topic=13615.msg159513#msg159513 date=1346432940] I understand what you are saying but would strongly suggest caution in any case when quoting matters of doctrine from any non-Orthodox source. This is because even when you think…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13615.msg159481#msg159481 date=1346299985] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159475#msg159475 date=1346295904] Have you ever read 1 Corinthians 1:11-13? Let me put it another way. " For it has been declare…
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And look what the Roman Catholics say about Vladimir Moss here: "He also put a statement that would fit the Immaculate Conception (below) "Christ was born from a virgin who had been cleansed beforehand from all sin by the Holy Spirit precisely in or…
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Have you ever read 1 Corinthians 1:11-13? Let me put it another way. " For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, ... that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Athanasius,” or “I am of C…
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In the last post, I showed how none of the Orthodox fathers used any of the verse given to prove original sin. Here is some more information against the concept of original sin and inherited guilt. I'll start with 3 modern Eastern Orthodox theologia…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159465#msg159465 date=1346279519] Job 14:4,5 says: "For who shall be pure from uncleanness? No one Even if his life is but one day upon earth?" Psalm 58:4 "Sinners are alienated from the womb; From bir…
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[quote author=childoforthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159470#msg159470 date=1346285048] It's a shame that this thread has gone away from its original intent. [/quote] Not really ChildofOrthodoxy. I personally have learned a lot. I hope others who are j…
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Greek diatrics are very different than Coptic jinkim. Take for example 'u,y In Greek, ψύχη is the neutral plural noun while ψυχή is the feminine singular noun. Fr Abdelmesseh assumes one and only pronunciation in Greek and he wants to move the Copt…
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No not really. I based my comments on the commentary you provided.
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No man is an island to himself - John Donne Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labor. For if they fall, one will lift up his companion. But woe to him who is alone when he falls, For he has no one to help him up. - E…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13619.msg159449#msg159449 date=1346272574] Severian, How dare you quote a reference that has changed the Word of God!!!! "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in n…
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Severian and all, I have some concerns about this article that is most illustrated in Comment #6 above. Doesn't #6 above imply Copticism? Why is it looked down if one reads or references Anslem, Aquinas and Trent? Is there a competition between Eas…
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You think by wearing a person down with constant replies, you're going to win in the end? Tell me something, if you personally were literally cast out of paradise of joy, or ate the plant, tell me how did the fruit of the tree taste like and where …
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I mean purely Greek pronunciation and linguistics require diactrics (pronunciation stress). If you take out the jenkim, it would cause problems because Copts do not pronounce Greek words like the Greeks do. If you take out the jenkim, a Greek would …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159434#msg159434 date=1346266415] So are you an alien? Not a human being? :o[/quote] Yes I am alien - alien to your logic and argument You keep raising peripheral issues and have not addressed the main topi…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159430#msg159430 date=1346261749] In the liturgy of St Gregory we pray: "One plant there was, from which You forbade me to eat. This of which You said to me: "From this only do not eat!" I ate of my own fr…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159416#msg159416 date=1346252582] No it does not apply. Because you were not in the loins of Hitler when he decided to commit his atrocities. Or were you? In contrast, we were all in Adam's loins wh…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159413#msg159413 date=1346250378] I asked a sincere question. You claimed that the Orthodox families do not support St Ambrose teachings. Back up your claim.[/quote] You asked a question after you implied…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13619.msg159376#msg159376 date=1346193477] Are you introducing a new interpretation of the Holy Bible? St Paul was speaking about solid doctrine and this was not a metaphor. When he used the above quote he was …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159375#msg159375 date=1346192940] Reminkimi says that the Orthodox families do reject St Ambrose teaching. Which family is that? Reject St Ambrose teaching means rejecting the liturgical prayers, St Cyril…
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Ophadece, I can respond and give you what you're looking for but Mina specifically said not to. In fact, he specifically said, " Please DO NOT turn this into an arguemnt about OB and Bohairic coptic (or even GB). I specifically want opinions from pe…
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There is nothing wrong with using allegorical and metaphorical language. Metaphorically, Levi was in Abraham's loins when Melchizedek met Abraham. However, we must distinguish and not confuse metaphoric language with literal and ontological language…
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Mina asked us not to turn this into a debate over GB vs. OB. I will respect his wishes. I tried to be as unbiased as I could. I hope everyone can do the same. Discuss facts without any judgments. PS: Rules are already made up and applied to English…
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I tried to understand the Arabic and I don't fully understand what he is trying to say. But from his examples, it is clear to me that Fr Abdelmesseh advocates a slight change in the grammatical usage of the jenkim. He wants it to demarcate pronuncia…
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Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I have more questions. [quote author=fortunatus link=topic=13539.msg159218#msg159218 date=1345697833] Not to get technical, but with the verse you put here from Ephesians about the "guarantee", the KJV has that as ear…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159348#msg159348 date=1346135495] Whoever said that we will be judged of the actual Sin that Adam committed? None of the fathers said this. We do inherit the corrupt sin and are born under the law of sin.…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159333#msg159333 date=1346099298] St. Sawiros is saying that we are not born sinners originally, but we are passed the sin through intercourse (DNA). [/quote] So we are NOT born with sin but we have immedia…