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No where in that reference from St Severus are the words "creator" or "evil" mentioned. You are extrapolating a meaning that has nothing to do with the reference given. We are not born evil, nor is our nature evil, nor are we evil now because of som…
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Yes sebeste is Greek. σέβεσθε comes from the root word σεβίτιον Before Homer, it meant to feel fear or feel shame before God as in οὔ νυ σέβεσθε After Homer, it came to mean 1. revere, worship, do homage, pay honor God The root word σεβίτιον is …
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Good, now let's take it a step farther. This thread is called "Man and Redemption". Part of redemption, as described in Ephesians 1 is predestination. We were predestined for adoption, chosen before the foundation of the world to be "holy and with…
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You're not the first to ask this question. It's a rhetorical question that will never have an adequate answer. Even if Nestorius wrote he believes X, it doesn't necessarily mean X is the heresy of Nestorianism as we know and define it now. The que…
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I guess I am not being clear. My question pertains to a person who believes in the Trinity AND leads a righteous life. By leading a righteous life, I mean he does works of righteousness that include complete humility. This person acknowledges that h…
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What if we looked for secondary sources that reference primary sources? In "There is No Crime for Those who have Christ" p.323, , Gaddis says "the exiled Nestorius claimed that Tome of Leo, which subsequently formed the basis for the council's [Chal…
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RO, Severian, Maybe HE Metropolitan Bishoy is heresy hunting. Maybe no one ever claimed deification by nature and HE is rebutting an imaginary claim. Regardless of who may or may not have claimed deification by nature, it is irrelevant to the issue…
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No. I am not talking about sola fide. I am talking about a person who believes in the Trinity AND leads a righteous life. Are we supposed to doubt an assured inheritance? Is there even such a thing as an assured inheritance for such a person? I thin…
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I find nothing in Metropolitan Bishoy's letter as heterdox that Fr Athanasius commented on. In HE Met Bishoy's article, he makes a distinction by deification by adoption and deification by nature. HE does NOT deny deification by adoption, he denies …
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Severian, Can you find any sources, either Fr Tadros or ancient patristics, that speak about assurance in salvation? It seems to me that there is a creeping theology that says no one can be sure that they are going to heaven. This is propogated by …
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13611.msg159071#msg159071 date=1345216030] Agreed. The problem is that some Orthodox are so radically anti-Western that they try to completely expunge the judicial theory of the Atonement even though the Scriptures …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13452.msg158960#msg158960 date=1345058742] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13452.msg158952#msg158952 date=1345055258] One more thing. Fr Peter is clergy. Fr Peter is part of the hierarchy. It is ridiculous to su…
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Fr Peter, Not everyone is in high school or college. Not everyone who reads will donate. If you stop posting reminders, no one will likely donate. In business, a company markets thousands and millions of reminders so that a fraction results in pro…
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Ioannes, I have a question. How do you know there aren't many people from Tasbeha.org who have already donated for Fr Peter's London School? Our church has dozens and dozens of ministries. Maybe Copts are donating to anyone of those ministries anon…
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Ioannes, I concur with ILSM. You will not get any criticism from me. Pray for us that we may truly be honest with our dealings with God, with converts and with each other. FYI, as a Copt, I greatly care and appreciate what Fr Peter has done and con…
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[quote author=RamezM link=topic=13535.msg158846#msg158846 date=1344900280] As a general rule in liturgical studies (and this is a law or hypothesis advanced by Anton Baumstark in his iconic work Comparative Liturgy) texts tend to develop from shorte…
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First, welcome to the forums. I pray God will give you everything you are looking for. Secondly, there is no recipe for Orthodoxy. What you need may not be what another potential convert needs. It is the priest's job to work with you to give you a…
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[quote author=RamezM link=topic=13535.msg158838#msg158838 date=1344890781] For me, this supports somewhat what I am saying. Regardless of the basis for the Trisagion, the praise itself is Trinitarian in nature. What does this tell me? It tells me th…
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Jonathan, I'd like to comment on some things you said. [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13621.msg158835#msg158835 date=1344886702] The original NT is (mostly) Greek. The original OT is (mostly) Hebrew. But the Hebrew is corrupted, so the Greek LXX…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13616.msg158784#msg158784 date=1344809886] I am first and foremost an (Oriental) Orthodox Christian and I am Coptic second. Anyone who looks at my username, avatar, and signature can tell that I am Coptic OO. And my…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13535.msg158798#msg158798 date=1344825433] Dear Reminkimi, I am not following your logic. How is he wrong if he lists the Trisagion hymn as it is exactly used by the Byzantines and give the comment you posted?[/quo…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13535.msg158776#msg158776 date=1344793042] How did you reach the conclusion that he was in fact talking abut the Cherubic hymn and not the Trisagion? John Brownlie says on page 102 of the reference below: "The Tris…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13535.msg158757#msg158757 date=1344637068] If this is your understanding of the issue, why are you swinging to the other side of the argument and not adhering and defending your personal and Coptic Church belie…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13535.msg158689#msg158689 date=1344475906] I did not say that they believe they are identical texts. Either you deliberately twisting the argument or you have poor choice of words. I said the Trisagion is based on t…
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[quote author=minasoliman link=topic=13535.msg158700#msg158700 date=1344481603] St Athanasius did in fact believe the "Holy, Holy, Holy" addressed in Isaiah 6 was addressed to the Trinity, disproving the Arians by showing that each hypostasis of the…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13535.msg158673#msg158673 date=1344456365] while I am simply saying the Isaiah vision (or Revelation for that matter) is not the liturgical Trisagion at all, but the anaphoral sanctus. So you are saying that Ibn S…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13535.msg158672#msg158672 date=1344454734] Dear Rem, You speak with authority; use human logic to interpret the Holy Scripture and write long post, but your understanding of the Scripture is incorrect at best.…
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[quote author=RamezM link=topic=13535.msg158613#msg158613 date=1344372669] I have a couple questions however. You say that both Chalcedonians and non-Chalcedonians claim their versions are more authentic and older. How is this the case, when no one …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13535.msg158617#msg158617 date=1344375761] [center]Isaiah vision in Chapter 6 to be about the Son [/center] Scriptural Evidence St John the Evangelist comments saying: "These things Isaiah said when he saw His g…
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sheren_maria, What exactly are you trying to say? Just because the Sanctus is found in Isaiah 6 and Revelation 4 that it must be a Christological hymn? That conclusion is weak at best. Just because we have independent events of angelic hymns singin…