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[quote author=qawe link=topic=13790.msg160698#msg160698 date=1351303950] I don't think youngest candidate makes a big difference, because he is only younger by 5 or so years. [/quote] I did some checking. Take a look at this. Coptic Pope 117 - Pope…
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Andrew, you bring up some really good points. The patriarch is not supreme over the Synod. The proof of this comes from previous events from previous synods. The Synod removed Pope Yousab II in 1956. They would not have ecclesiastical power to do t…
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Very nice Archdeacon. Just for your information (or anyone else who is curious), the forum will display Coptic properly. Just use "x"font=cs avva shenouda"y" (Place text you want in Coptic here) "x"/font"y". Replace the "x" with "[" and the "y" with…
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The Paradise of the Desert Fathers that is translated into English is the Syriac version translated by Budge. The Arabic "Bustan al rohban" has never been translated into English because there are multiple versions of it. The English translation of …
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jydeacon, I'm glad you asked this question. The truth is there are many reasons to revive languages. The process, as described in the linguistic world, is Reverse Language Shift (RLS). Languages are not only meant as a means of communication. Langu…
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blood - esnof flesh - sarx or soma bishop - episkopos salt - hmou lamb - heyeb light - ouwini rod - shbot pitcher - koulol or kelwl or or kelol or keloli or ekloli (all are the same word spelled differently and valid.) You can also use kaji to mean …
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Servant33, thanks for the confidence. The list has a major problem and you need to know a little Coptic to dicepher the list better. First, there are multiple Coptic words for each word, isi1612 was looking for. Usually, one fits better than the res…
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water - mowoo oil - neh wood - she bread - oik cross - stavros grape - aloli human - romi (Coptic), anthropos (Greek. more frequent) spirit - pnevma holy - owab devil - ikh (Coptic), most commonly used Greek words like satanas or diabolos donkey - e…
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Bibo, excellent comments. There are two more facts to consider in your synopsis. First, one could easily argue using Origen's framework that humans and angels "fell" before time, but to different levels. If angels and humans can fall once, they ca…
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No one ever claimed Philo and Josephus were father of the church. It's riduculous to imply anyone did. They represent a Jewish or Rabbinic view of Genesis 6. Jewish theology greatly influenced the Apostles and early fathers. Tertullian not a fathe…
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Mina, Fr Seraphim's foot note is misleading. It implied all those fathers believed in the Sethite hypothesis. I looked at St Athanasius' quote. When time permits, I look at the other references. [quote author=minasoliman link=topic=9472.msg159978#ms…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=9472.msg159954#msg159954 date=1347834021] Can I ask you, why you have not included in your list of Patristic writing the opinion of great fathers as St Athanasius, St Cyril, St Severs, St John Chrysostom and th…
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Here is what St Shenoute the Archimandrite said in a sermon titled "As I sat on the mountain". The following is taken from an article by the late Rev David Johnson of Catholic University of America. "The topic of the sermon is the Universal Church …
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Are you also going to write off all these Biblical verses?
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Mina, All I can say is WOW. My wife yelled at me for spending so much time looking for those patristic references. I can only imagine how long it took you. It's obvious you are a much better researcher than I will ever be. Other biblical evidence i…
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[quote author=JG link=topic=10035.msg159748#msg159748 date=1347395179] That's awesome man! I love using Coptic when praying - it's the only language that I purely associate with worship, since I only ever hear it in a liturgical setting! :) [/quot…
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Ok, as far as I can tell. Codex Alexandrinus has angels of God while Codex Sianiaticus is missing Genesis 6. Codex Vaticanus which is the oldest manuscript is missing Genesis 6. I believe Origen Hexapla had three other versions but I couldn't tell i…
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[quote author=minasoliman link=topic=10035.msg159724#msg159724 date=1347377473] Dear Rem, I agree with you. That is why I'm basing my judgement on the non-modified version of this hymn. As I understand it, last time we had a discussion about thi…
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The giants were evil because they committed evil acts and all the world followed in their wickedness. They were justly punished by God. Angels having intercourse may seem like nonsense now but at many past generations it was not. In fact, multiple…
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[quote author=minasoliman link=topic=10035.msg159711#msg159711 date=1347340883] The Greek hymn itself, as has been told by some scholars around here, has linguistic and embarrassing errors. Can you imagine that the "who took our humility" referred …
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I have updated the research since it was published in Albeir's book. It is published in Coptica volume 10 by St Shenouda the Archimandrite Coptic Society.
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I'm only responding trying to give an unbiased view of the angel hypothesis. [quote author=imikhail link=topic=9472.msg159718#msg159718 date=1347365341] So when did these fallen angels stop having intercourse?[/quote] I assume fallen angels are not …
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The response to Matthew 22:30 from proponents of the Book of Enoch and the Angel hypothesis is that Jesus' words in Matthew 22 are very specific: At the resurrection, we will be like the angels in heaven who neither marry or get married. Angels who …
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I have attached a list of patristic sources about Genesis 6:1-4 and the Book of Enoch with some comments in italics. Here is a summary: 1. Jewish and Rabbinic philosophy states Genesis 6 speaks of angels of God having intercourse with women. 2. Ap…
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Two quick comments in response to JG. 1. Congregation responses typically "interrupt" the priest's prayer mid-sentence. The text you quoted, `nte Pef`,rictoc `nje Pipantokratwr P[oic Pennou] is the second half of the sentence beginning with Picwma …
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13678.msg159609#msg159609 date=1346870942] Thank you Ramez, This begs the question though, in the liturgy of St. Basil, why do the decons respond, "And your precious body/blood" "Nem Pe*K*esnof ettayot." Sho…
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Peter, In my church we have implemented the alhan curriculum by St Mary's Church in East Brunswick NJ with some modifications. We added a "Introductory class" for kids 3-8 years old, then continued with St Mary's curriculum and added a Level 3 adva…
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=13615.msg159588#msg159588 date=1346788182] Maybe we can resume this discussion when the contributors have cooled down, are making intelligent contributions instead of showing their disgust like cry babies and cowards,…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13549.msg158461#msg158461 date=1344031728] how can a Coptic Orthodox believer ask an Arian person for intercession. To whom that one will intercede, to the Word of God Incarnate or to another god whom I do not …
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How disgusting has this forum become!! You don't get to use my Coptic sacred liturgical language, or any liturgical language, in jest. You don't get to make a mockery of how I worship God by using liturgical texts in a non-liturgical way by saying "…