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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13615.msg159511#msg159511 date=1346430230] I am suggesting that when the Fathers don't conflict with Sts. Athanasius, Cyril, etc. then we can certainly quote them. Remember, that these saints are mutually acc…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13615.msg159508#msg159508 date=1346428655] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13615.msg159506#msg159506 date=1346426998] I rarely quote Coptic Fathers, but I use the fathers of the EO church to analyze my dog…
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We ought to know what the Truth is, where Christ can be found in the Truth regardless of the teacher or messenger and become Christ's disciples through the maternal guidance and love of the Orthodox Church. The Truth can Only be found through a di…
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I rarely quote Coptic Fathers, but I use the fathers of the EO church to analyze my dogmas. My sources do not stop at St. Cyril, but continue through St. Maxemous the confessor all the way through St. John of Damascus. I take them as my fathers, an…
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You assume anything and anyone who is not Coptic is "secretly bringing destructive heresies". These are your words not mine. When it comes to matter of faith, the Fathers, accepted to in the Church, are to be quoted. We cannot use theologians af…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159489#msg159489 date=1346341090] I would like to clarify something. I did not purposely change the quote from St. Cyprian of Carthage earlier, as Imikhail seemed to subtlety imply. I posted that fragment o…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159483#msg159483 date=1346301237] And look what the Roman Catholics say about Vladimir Moss here: "He also put a statement that would fit the Immaculate Conception (below) "Christ was born from a virgin who…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159475#msg159475 date=1346295904] Have you ever read 1 Corinthians 1:11-13? Let me put it another way. " For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, ... that there are contentions among you…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159479#msg159479 date=1346298688] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159478#msg159478 date=1346298559] [quote author=sifaing link=topic=13619.msg159477#msg159477 date=1346298308] Guys, #1, ur both …
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[quote author=sifaing link=topic=13619.msg159477#msg159477 date=1346298308] Guys, #1, ur both really annoying #2, stop complicating things #3, just b/c the EO say something doesn't mean it's right. #4, just because the Catholic church says somethin…
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Bishop Kallistos, Fr John Romanides, Fr John Meindorff (Byzantine Theology) All these authors are neo theologians who deny the original sin. Romaniddes specifically is the one who started this movement with his thesis that the fear of death brough…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159471#msg159471 date=1346290237] [quote author=childoforthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159470#msg159470 date=1346285048] It's a shame that this thread has gone away from its original intent. [/quote] Not real…
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If St Athanasius and St Cyril say the same exact thing as Anslem and Aquinas, would it automatically be wrong to quote Anslem and Aquinas? Shouldn't we care more about the content of references rather than the number of Latin references exceeding …
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13664.msg159460#msg159460 date=1346277779] Greek diatrics are very different than Coptic jinkim. Take for example 'u,y In Greek, ψύχη is the neutral plural noun while ψυχή is the feminine singular noun. Fr Abdelmes…
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Job 14:4,5 says: "For who shall be pure from uncleanness? No one Even if his life is but one day upon earth?" Psalm 58:4 "Sinners are alienated from the womb; From birth they are led astray; they speak lies" Can someone provide an explanation…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159451#msg159451 date=1346274060] [quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13619.msg159449#msg159449 date=1346272574] Severian, How dare you quote a reference that has changed the Word of God!!!! "For verily…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159442#msg159442 date=1346269194] You think by wearing a person down with constant replies, you're going to win in the end? [/quote] This is what you think. To you it is just a contest a winner and a loser…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13664.msg159440#msg159440 date=1346268372] I mean purely Greek pronunciation and linguistics require diactrics (pronunciation stress). If you take out the jenkim, it would cause problems because Copts do not pronoun…
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St Ambrose says: “In Adam I fell, in Adam I was cast out of paradise, in Adam I died. How shall God call me back, except He find me in Adam? For just as in Adam I am guilty of sin and owe a debt to death, so in Christ I am justified.” The same thou…
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Hebrews 7:9 is not a metaphor it is literal. Reality cannot be built on a metaphor.
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159436#msg159436 date=1346266974] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159434#msg159434 date=1346266415] So are you an alien? Not a human being? :o[/quote] Yes I am alien - alien to your logic and arg…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159433#msg159433 date=1346265830] [quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159416#msg159416 date=1346252582] No it does not apply. Because you were not in the loins of Hitler when he decided to com…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159429#msg159429 date=1346261623] @Imikhail How does inheriting a sinful nature (a nature which inclines us towards sin) make us born sinners? Sin is the mis-use of free will in a manner which falls short o…
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In the liturgy of St Gregory we pray: "One plant there was, from which You forbade me to eat. This of which You said to me: "From this only do not eat!" I ate of my own free will. I laid aside Your law by my own opinion. I neglected Your commandmen…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159426#msg159426 date=1346260492] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159425#msg159425 date=1346260276] [quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159423#msg159423 date=1346259968] ^ I agree with Rem…
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If one calls "Original sin" and means "ancestral sin", then there is no problem. But advocating Adam's sin with Adam's guilt and Adam's personal judgment is passed on a particular person and not humanity or human nature, then it is completely diver…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159423#msg159423 date=1346259968] ^ I agree with Remnkemi that one can use the phrase "original sin" so long as by "original sin" they are teaching the Orthodox doctrine of Adamic sin, and not the Latin doc…
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You asked a question after you implied that the Orthodox church believes in Latin/Western concept of original sin and inherited guilt and I know nothing about Orthodox theology. I already stated Severian showed how the Orthodox church doesn't belie…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159416#msg159416 date=1346252582] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159414#msg159414 date=1346250634] Yes it does apply. You want to extend a metaphorical comparison of Abraham and Levi to A…
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Yes it does apply. You want to extend a metaphorical comparison of Abraham and Levi to Adam and particular humans, not humanity in general. If such is the case, then logically one can extend the same metaphorical language to Hitler and a particular …