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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159410#msg159410 date=1346246510] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159375#msg159375 date=1346192940] Reminkimi says that the Orthodox families do reject St Ambrose teaching. Which family is that?…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159400#msg159400 date=1346212269] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159399#msg159399 date=1346212089] Dear Severian, You say: "We are not born transgressors" Psalm 50 and 48 do not agree with you…
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Dear Severian, You say: "We are not born transgressors" Psalm 50 and 48 do not agree with your statement. Job 14:4 does not agree with your statement (Septuagint and Coptic translations). By the way, this verse is used in the litany of the depart…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159394#msg159394 date=1346209439] There is nothing from those Fathers which I would disagree with. You still did not address my other points, though. I also want to talk about this quote: "It is in this w…
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Those who deny the Original sin support the Latin heresy of the Virgin's Immaculate Conception. Why did the Holy Spirit descend on the Virgin? St. Gregory the Theologian answers: “The Son of God was conceived of the Virgin, who had been purified …
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159390#msg159390 date=1346207188] No. St. Severus says quite clearly that Adam's sin is *not* mixed with our physis. [/quote] You have to read the quote in context. He is saying this in reference to wheth…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159387#msg159387 date=1346202007] .. this is not to say we are responsible or guilty of Adam's disobedience or that we inherit that disobedience. [/quote] If you are not guilty of Adam's sin, then why wer…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159385#msg159385 date=1346201130] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159382#msg159382 date=1346200349] Same thought as St Cyril, St Ambrose, St Augustine, and St Sawiros. [/quote]St. Cyril and St. S…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159381#msg159381 date=1346199961] Well, you didn't answer my question. But as per the quotes you provided: This is a psalm of repentance and God's mercy, and a prophecy about salvation through baptism (vv…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159379#msg159379 date=1346198196] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159375#msg159375 date=1346192940] Reminkimi says that the Orthodox families do reject St Ambrose teaching. Which family i…
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Reminkimi says that the Orthodox families do reject St Ambrose teaching. Which family is that? Reject St Ambrose teaching means rejecting the liturgical prayers, St Cyril's teaching and St Sawiros.
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159366#msg159366 date=1346188003] There is nothing wrong with using allegorical and metaphorical language. Metaphorically, Levi was in Abraham's loins when Melchizedek met Abraham. However, we must distingu…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13664.msg159363#msg159363 date=1346185580] Mina asked us not to turn this into a debate over GB vs. OB. I will respect his wishes. I tried to be as unbiased as I could. I hope everyone can do the same. Discuss facts…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159349#msg159349 date=1346156697] Again you are extrapolating a meaning above that is different from the reference of St Cyril below. St Cyril speaks of human nature (physis). You are speaking of hypostasis…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159347#msg159347 date=1346134036] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159342#msg159342 date=1346120869] Severian, Can you please define what you mean by Adam's guilt, Adam's fault? [/quote] ... [q…
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The jinkim existed long before these hymns entered the Coptic church. The jinkim is to stress the letter that has it. So, the example you cited is a good illustration of how the jinkim is used.
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159341#msg159341 date=1346119507] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159339#msg159339 date=1346116304] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159336#msg159336 date=1346105805] [quote author=imik…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159336#msg159336 date=1346105805] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159333#msg159333 date=1346099298] St. Sawiros is saying that we are not born sinners originally, but we are passed the sin throug…
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Another quote from St Cyril on Original Sin: Thus has the guilt of the disobedience that is by Adam been remitted: thus has the power of the curse ceased, and the dominion of death been brought to decay.And this too Paul teaches, saying, "For as by…
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Here is St Cyril on the Original Sin: “Yes, ‘the soul that sinneth, the same shall die.' But we have become sinners through the disobedience of Adam in this way. Adam, you see, had been made for incorruption and life. Moreover, the life he led in t…
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On Original Sin: St Sawiros writes: The reason for which we are said to have become heirs of the curse and of condemnation and of death is not that the sin and condemnation and death passed to us, as if these fell to our nature by lot, for man's n…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159327#msg159327 date=1346076281] No where in that reference from St Severus are the words "creator" or "evil" mentioned. You are extrapolating a meaning that has nothing to do with the reference given. We …
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159306#msg159306 date=1345845184] No, we become mortals on a ccount of Adam's mortality. The sin of those who engendered us, viz. the sin of Adam and Eve, is not naturally (kata phisin) mixed with o…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159303#msg159303 date=1345840263] Wrong, This verse only states that we inherit the effects of Adam's sin. But we are not sinners along with Adam. Adam sinned, and so his nature changed, and becaus…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg158814#msg158814 date=1344856176] That We Do Not Inherit Adam's Guilt +"What has Adam’s guilt to do with us? Why are we held responsible for his sin when we were not even born when he committed it? Did no…
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[quote author=Amoussa01 link=topic=13649.msg159283#msg159283 date=1345788782] I never said you cannot praise God through His saints. However, the church believes it is improper to praise God indirectly when He is physically present before us. Concer…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=13649.msg159273#msg159273 date=1345783090] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13649.msg159272#msg159272 date=1345782924] [quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=13649.msg159267#msg159267 date=1345776072] imikhail, ar…
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I was actually in the class with Albeir in which he said that communion is the proper time for glorification according to the old rite. Did Albeir mention any references, when is this old rite start? Thanks
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13649.msg159274#msg159274 date=1345783953] The Body of Christ is the Church - both militant and victorious. So when we praise a saint, we are praising the body of XC. ReturnOrthodoxy [/quote] With all due …
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=13649.msg159267#msg159267 date=1345776072] imikhail, are there specific madayeh for every sunday like you said before or NO???? [/quote] Yes there are. Please check Al Kethare Alro7eya fee Madayeh All Kaneesa A…