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The idea that angels are enticed by women's beauty is absurd and does not have any biblical bases. Angels are spirits of fire and cannot procreate, desire flesh, ... etc
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9472.msg159794#msg159794 date=1347473880] [/QUOTE][quote author=imikhail link=topic=9472.msg159793#msg159793 date=1347473605] Whether there were authors who supported the theory of the angels is irrelevant to…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=9472.msg159795#msg159795 date=1347474326] Are you also going to write off all these Biblical verses? [/quote] You need to take the verses in context, the language used at the time it was written and the other trans…
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Whether there were authors who supported the theory of the angels is irrelevant to the reality that no humans were procreated as the result of demons.
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=9472.msg159753#msg159753 date=1347399486] Ok, as far as I can tell. Codex Alexandrinus has angels of God while Codex Sianiaticus is missing Genesis 6. Codex Vaticanus which is the oldest manuscript is missing Genesi…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=9472.msg159739#msg159739 date=1347389957] [quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9472.msg159738#msg159738 date=1347389458] I did read your response, I missed the word "fallen." Ukhtate Then why would it say "gods…
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=10035.msg159741#msg159741 date=1347393723] As long as Fr. Shenouda Maher is mentioned, I have a question: Did any of you pray a liturgy or a vesper raising of incense with Fr. Shenouda Maher? If so, do you guys unde…
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For those who believe that the sons of God are the fallen angels and that they did have intercourse with women. I urge you to read verse 2 in context: 1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were bo…
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[quote author=minasoliman link=topic=9472.msg159727#msg159727 date=1347381562] Whatever the case, whether angels had intercourse or not, this isn't a dogmatic or important enough issue for us that touches essential dogmas of our faith. What is clea…
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So, according to this, some of us are really the product of angels. Yes and no. One of the references I gave said God, in his divine wisdom, allowed for angels to fall, have intercourse with women and have "giants born to them" precisely to show tha…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=9472.msg159717#msg159717 date=1347365056] The response to Matthew 22:30 from proponents of the Book of Enoch and the Angel hypothesis is that Jesus' words in Matthew 22 are very specific: At the resurrection, we wil…
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Abouna Shenouda Maher authored another hymn called Ajios beyatshob. Here are the words in English. If anyone wants to hear the recording, pm me. Holy is the Being : Who was and Who is to come : the Ever-present : the Everlasting, the Eternal : O H…
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My personal view is that angels do not marry ( Matt 22:30)
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=9472.msg159701#msg159701 date=1347318688] [quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=9472.msg159699#msg159699 date=1347315846] We all, the orthodox, believe that the Holy Scriptures, Old and New, were written by the ins…
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Regardless of whether it is heretical or not. No one can decipher the words. It is like singing in tongues :)
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13602.msg159641#msg159641 date=1347038012] Can full Deacons use the censer ("shoria" in Arabic)? [/quote] No. In the Coptic rite, only the priest is allowed to censor. This is an extension of the rites in the OT wh…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=9472.msg159677#msg159677 date=1347220755] Being that many of the early Fathers taught that it was angels who copulated with women, why did HH Pope Shenouda dogmatically fight against this belief? It is really distur…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13615.msg159642#msg159642 date=1347039040] Remember, at one point in the Church's history it seemed like Arianism was ultimately going to conquer the Church. However, by God's grace, Saint Athanasius, and those of l…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13678.msg159609#msg159609 date=1346870942] Thank you Ramez, This begs the question though, in the liturgy of St. Basil, why do the decons respond, "And your precious body/blood" "Nem Pe*K*esnof ettayot." Sho…
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I think it would be beneficial to the discussion if Ecumenism is defined. The word itself carries lots of connotations.
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You know what the problem is? You cannot just teach Orthodoxy without refuting the heresies that dominates the thought of Copts and specifying their origin. In doing so, you would have to come face-to-face with unpleasant facts that no one is willi…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13615.msg159546#msg159546 date=1346580387] ^Thanks for the reply. I agree that the there is no "hypostatic union" of the human hypostasis to the hypostasis of the Spirit (this idea is blasphemous and absurd). Becaus…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13615.msg159544#msg159544 date=1346577057] 6 - [Against the heresy that] We accompany Christ in His redemptive sufferings What does this mean exactly? Brackets mine.[/quote] Dear Severian, I just stated the title…
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here is a very blurry line between the knowing the future and making (or directing) the future. Yes God is omniscient and knows the future. But predestination must mean more than just knowing the future. Suppose, God knows I will be hit by a car on…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13615.msg159541#msg159541 date=1346572187] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13615.msg159540#msg159540 date=1346571448] [quote author=Severian link=topic=13615.msg159539#msg159539 date=1346571330] ^Imikahil, specifi…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13615.msg159539#msg159539 date=1346571330] ^Imikahil, specifically, what heresies do you think has crept into the Church? [/quote] Read Pope Shenouda's book on New Heresies.
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159522#msg159522 date=1346520945] The only requirement that qualifies a person into God's family is the desire to do God's will. "Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.” Mark 3:35 [/qu…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159523#msg159523 date=1346522642] Another example of your inability to read past the first sentence or comprehend the argument. I didn't say one should go to a foreign teacher who doesn't have the same fait…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159522#msg159522 date=1346520945] Ironic. This is coming from the same person who quoted Vladimir Moss [/quote] You are not being honest in this statement. You are proof texting your argument trying a che…