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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148346#msg148346 date=1322868973] ولكن برجوع القارئ الدارس إلى جدول المقارنة الذي قدَّمناه في صفحة (19) بين طقس تقديم الحمل وطقس إفخارستية مرقس الرسول، يجد أن الأمر يستحيل بأي حال من الأحوال أن ينطبق عليه م…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148343#msg148343 date=1322867292] Other than providing you with an entire source, Fr. Matta el-Meskeen's 2 books on the Eucharist, in which the whole argument of the books was to show that the Offertory was …
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148341#msg148341 date=1322864554] Lord Jesus Christ have mercy! Can't you read man? At least read the very last sentence of the very last quote if you can't read the rest. It says that the Offertory was a…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148331#msg148331 date=1322853614] Unfortunately, you're not understanding what I'm saying here. You are referring to the contemporary liturgy as we have it now. I'm not referring to that at all - I'm referri…
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Please re-read the same section you quoted in Arabic from Abouna Matta. He says two things: 1) The kiss of peace is after the litanies and before the Anaphora. This is the current position. 2) The kiss of peace was historically fixed, and it was …
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148326#msg148326 date=1322848030] I already referred you to the research done by Fr. Matta. I don't have to go and repeat the same research he did - that is useless. If I have something new to add to what he…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148323#msg148323 date=1322846159] Habibi, The quote you have from the Hippolytus is incomplete, and as such inaccurate. Like I said the greeting with the bishop and the rest of the people is the END of the …
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You keep repeating the same argument. Give us one proof of your claim that the Greeting was changed in the Coptic rite from its current place. Here what you need to research: The manuscript that show the original place, A later manuscript that sh…
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In relation to the known traditions of the Eucharistic service, the only evidence we have of the kiss of peace being offered is either in the beginning of the Eucharistic Liturgy BEFORE the offering of the gifts ("If you are offering your gift at th…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148316#msg148316 date=1322840714] Well, you asked for it :P [/quote] You brought up Hippolytus' Apostolic Tradition. A careful reading indicates that the reference to the greeting is at the end of the baptis…
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Biboboy, Is this the best answer you can come up with concerning my refutations?
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The deacon's part mentioned in this thread (the long aspazesthe) is a relic of the older liturgies that used to be prayed on Saturday nights (it was considered Sunday back then). We still pray the liturgy on Saturday nights on the major feasts of …
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12631.msg148306#msg148306 date=1322799255] I'm afraid you're making up that "huge" exaggeration. The Coptic Encyclopedia translates the Arabic word "Madeeha" into "Psali" in English. It has the following to say in …
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=12631.msg148304#msg148304 date=1322791548] Who said I don't?! my own services are my own concern until i announce them to be for everyone to criticize. I actually asked Albair to help him in translating his khdim…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12614.msg148105#msg148105 date=1322596718] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12614.msg148090#msg148090 date=1322536654] [quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12614.msg148088#msg148088 date=1322533720] What are t…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12592.msg148104#msg148104 date=1322596636] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12592.msg148099#msg148099 date=1322585024] [quote author=peter_saad link=topic=12592.msg148096#msg148096 date=1322581051] when do we s…
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[quote author=peter_saad link=topic=12592.msg148096#msg148096 date=1322581051] when do we say 'je av mask ak'? only during christmas or throughout all kiahk? [/quote] From Kiahk 1 till the baramoun of epiphany.
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12592.msg148095#msg148095 date=1322578814] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12592.msg148089#msg148089 date=1322535960] Unfortunately Tarteeb Al Bay'aa is not online, It is available in print (3 books) among the boo…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=12592.msg148092#msg148092 date=1322539485] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12592.msg148089#msg148089 date=1322535960] [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12592.msg148087#msg148087 date=1322532689] [quote author=i…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12614.msg148088#msg148088 date=1322533720] What are the rules for pronouncing the coptic Letter Kai (the one that looks like an X, I don't know how to use coptic here)? Can I only have the current, widely used p…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12592.msg148087#msg148087 date=1322532689] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12592.msg148085#msg148085 date=1322524781] Per the Tarteeb el Bay'aa ]souri was the only known hymn (at the time of its compiling) till t…
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Taishoria or dishoria on Sundays? Oujai I forgot what we do. maybe imikhail can enlighten us with some sources. I do remember thoo that when i once prayed a liturgy with abouna on a thursday during kiahk, he told me to say tai shory and not tee sho…
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twounou epsoi-- and ten :ynou epsoi-- are equivalent. It is a matter of preference.
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12592.msg147908#msg147908 date=1322062330] If the conclusion canon hymn (pimisi evol khen eviot) is not supposed to be said till Kiahk 1, then the Advent fasting during Hatoor has not hymn or rite changes. Is it not…
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I appreciate your opinion Zoxasi, but I have to disagree that the hymn is most beautiful if high-jacked without music and without being "high-jacked" for a performance. Do not get me wrong, this particular chorus, I love so much. But in this case, …
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Thanks for Andrew and Returntoorthodoxy for elaborating on my thought process. You both have articulated very well what I wanted to say.
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[quote author=TITL link=topic=12575.msg147619#msg147619 date=1321494530] Also imikhail, why are you always so grumpy on the forum? I've noticed that with... all your posts. [/quote] Thanks for reading ALL my posts.
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My personal opinion is that no musical instruments should accompany liturgical hymns; neither within the liturgical services nor outside it. The Coptic hymns are rich and if prayed as they should be is enough to move the soul .
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No musical instruments should be played during liturgical prayers.
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12546.msg147408#msg147408 date=1321069859] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=imikhail link=topic=12546.msg147345#msg147345 date=1320973301] Once salvation has been fully realized, there will be no animals in existence …