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You can use this refrain though not traditional: Pimici ebol qen `Viwt af[carx ebol qen ]par;enoc
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12650.msg148651#msg148651 date=1323286413] [quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12650.msg148650#msg148650 date=1323285423] I.M., There was never a defined rank of Epsaltos (Psaltos or Psalter) but there is …
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12650.msg148650#msg148650 date=1323285423] I.M., I'm not contesting the manuscripts, not in the slightest. Certain things evolved in the Church. The book that I mentioned is standard issued and accepted by …
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If you like to read about the consecration, here are three of the most important sources: Tarteeb Al Kahana by Sawiros Ibn Al Mokafaa3 starting on P.42 Al Jawhara Al Nafeesa By Ibn Kebar the 2nd Book Al Laale Al Nafeesa by Akareya Ibn Sebaa3 El Bab…
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Energy can be neither created nor destroyed. It can only change forms This law is based on the world as it exists today. But how this energy, the law is referring to, existed at the time when our world did not exist in the same state as it is today?…
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Gabe, You cannot put God under the microscope, in other words you cannot limit what is limitless. You believe in many things based on others reports, not because you yourself verified their existence. You base your belief on the faith of others'. …
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I believe a question every athiest needs to answer is why do they think God does not exist? This is a sort of reverse engineer their made up belief.
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12650.msg148560#msg148560 date=1323213002] The information is correct. It is just not carried out. [/quote] Per the manuscripts we have, the information is incorrect.
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12650.msg148538#msg148538 date=1323196410] I.m., I beg to differ. In the Arabic/Coptic Book (not the English), all items on the altar are to be consecrated. The English is an abbreviated book. It is not co…
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Everything is consecrated including the altar itself. The following items are not consecrated: The censor, the throne, the incense box, the altar cloths, the water vessels, the cross, and Al Beshara.
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Here is what the Apostolic Constitutions say about the Holy Kiss: Then let the men give the men, and the women give the women, the Lord's kiss. But let no one do it with deceit, as Judas betrayed the Lord with a kiss. After this let the deacon pray…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148502#msg148502 date=1323139246] The liturgical rites reflect the biblical commands and put them in practice and that is why the greeting command, the holy kiss, comes right before the anafora and in no way…
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[quote author=✞Je Nai Nan✞ link=topic=12650.msg148504#msg148504 date=1323140559] What altar objects are consecrated in the Coptic Church? and what aren't ?? I heard that the "awany" aren't consecrated bc they already become consecrated by the body a…
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The soldier martyrs were not Christians when they were serving as soldiers. There were many soldiers in the Roman Empire who were Christians: St. Boctor, St Maurice, St George, St Mina, the forty martyrs of Sebaste, Sergius and Wachus and many man…
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I think the same goes from Martyrs who fought in wars. it's ok to be a martyr cuz they are. but still, breaking a major commandments, even by force still must be counted. Why is defending oneself or defending one's own country a sin? It is not a si…
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[quote author=I Believe link=topic=12644.msg148476#msg148476 date=1323112249] Ok so I have another question to add on to this...@Peter_Saad you said they are doing it in the name of God...that's exactly what Muslims do! and we go and accuse them of …
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[quote author=Tenacpi esna onkh link=topic=12644.msg148463#msg148463 date=1323107553] Aren't whom we consider Saints like St. George, St. Marcurius Abou Sefein, Amir Tadros breaking the commandments of "Thou shall not kill", which is even mentioned …
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12592.msg148452#msg148452 date=1323087316] Do we say aki or aktwnk on the Sundays of Kiahk (as I gather it is aki during the month of Hatour even within the Advent fast) - and why? Oujai qen `P[C [/quote] I just wa…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148399#msg148399 date=1322948628] I was refusing to answer anymore of your comments on Fr. Matta's book. Since the subject changed to Scripture, I have no issues engaging in this topic. The problem with th…
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As for the second point you made about the greeting being prior to the anaphora - there is no denial that this is the case in some traditions. There are other traditions, that are equally valid, and which still exist to this very day in both Easter…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148393#msg148393 date=1322940583] Oh, now we take Scripture verses out of context too, quoting a part of it and ignoring the rest of the sentence? "So when you are offering your gift at the altar, if you…
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there were no separate 'jew' and 'gentile' churches in the Bible or early church tradition I disagree with this statement as St Mark did not force his Jewish culture on the Egyptians, and so the other Churches established by the other apostles. Othe…
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[quote author=LoveisDivine link=topic=12636.msg148373#msg148373 date=1322907471] Your approach is build a second Church to be populated with people who are non-coptic. That doesn't sound very Biblical. [/quote] How can it be unbiblical? You probabl…
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What Biboboy is saying makes sense if we look at this historically in the ancient church's context. Of course today's liturgy has developed over the centuries so that it's not exactly the same as it was before and this is completely healthy and nat…
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12526.msg148359#msg148359 date=1322883426] You are more confused than ever. The very same quote that you're stuck on, quoted in Arabic in red above, should be read in context. Fr. Matta in this section of the book …
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Translation: He [the deacon] says "prospherin," which is now late rather than in its correct position, not for the people to approach, but so that another liturgy may begin. For the call of "prospherin," which means "approach, approach in order" sh…
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But, if the reader who studies goes back to the table of comparison that we presented on page 19, which compares between the rite of the Offering of the Lamb with the rite of the Eucharist of Mark the Apostle, he will find that the matter absolutel…
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I am one that would never want to give up my Church Traditions and rites. This is no way of attracting others. The way you attract people is through establishing parishioner churches that only speak to the parishioners and leave the indigenous Copt…
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The tunics should be worn during any liturgical service.