I find an astonishing deflection from the truth here, twisted words and an attempt to make out that I am the one who is denying scripture. I have asked simple questions and made it very clear that those alive in the flesh should NOT attempt to commu…
The point is - you knew what I meant. I deliberately used the term 'passed away' so as to avoid confusion. My point was that a person who is still alive (in the fleshly body) should not try to communicate with those who have left the fleshly body. (…
Please do not mess around with semantics in order to distort my question. By living people, I mean people who have not passed away. They are still in their fleshly bodies!!!!!!!!
You know what I mean.
You said, "Intercession is meant to be done by living people
on behalf of other living people." That is exactly why we ask for the
saints intercessions. It is because they are alive in the Resurrection
that intercessions make sense. You kind of a…
Question: As only God is omnipotent, then if (for example) one
hundred people are speaking to Mary at any one time, then how can she
hear everybody's request?
Only one person could have spoken to Mary. The other ninety-nine are
unwittingly pray…
[quote author=Boricua_Orthodox link=topic=14587.msg165973#msg165973 date=1379297111]
It gladdens my heart to know, Truthseeker that you love the Lord Jesus. You have come to Tasbeha to inquire about Orthodoxy. Welcome.
I see some issues that have …
[quote author=Amoussa01 link=topic=14587.msg165939#msg165939 date=1379100216]
TruthSeeker,
It seems that you have completely overlooked my post and page 2. Please read or re-read it!
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I'll go back at some point and re-read this.
[quote author=mikeforjesus link=topic=14587.msg165937#msg165937 date=1379097393]
it is more to do with seeking God not the saint and the saint asking God to draw us closer to Him by his life
can anyone else say something?
faith does not come with w…
Another point - if only God is omnipotent, what happens if you try to contact a saint and thousands of others are at the same time? He can only listen to one at a time?
[quote author=mikeforjesus link=topic=14587.msg165932#msg165932 date=1379093434]
I added more explanation I am not very deep in my faith myself but I use scripture myself and then find it agrees with what the church says
I am too busy to reply to yo…
I am going to go to reply to each of your points. I will put my points in italics
[quote author=mikeforjesus link=topic=14587.msg165929#msg165929 date=1379090695]
You are not to convert because of people but because of scripture and truth. Search …
I am no longer accusing you of worshipping idols, that was cleared up in previous posts. My question is about contacting the dead.
Anyway, you make a good point here:
Quote:If this is your understanding, Christ died in the flesh? There would be a l…
Sounds to me like someone is messing about with semantics here. Dead means 'dead in the flesh'. Just because these people are technically alive in spirit does not mean that they are not dead in the flesh. God makes it clear that we are not to distur…
Do not judge me. I do not want to hold on to my opinion otherwise I would not be here. I want you to convince me that you are right but you fail to answer my question. Why do you talk to the dead when it is forbidden? Why can't you give me scripture…
You say Christ chose apostles to teach us and to pray for us....
Yes but they were alive at the time............................................
I'm talking about talking to the dead - which is forbidden.
Why don't you answer my question?
Where i…
[quote author=Theophilus 1 link=topic=14587.msg165750#msg165750 date=1377354970]
Dear Truthseeker,
I admire you zeal to seek the truth and learn about Orthodoxy. By your questions you have shown you are a free thinker and indeed a truth seeker.
…
[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14587.msg165745#msg165745 date=1377288063]
Why are the responses I provided not sufficient to you tho? If you could please re-read them, maybe I'd be able to add more?
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Okay. let's start again. I someti…
[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=14587.msg165743#msg165743 date=1377284896]
Are you kidding me? Speaking to protestants makes me thank God I'm Orthodox lol.
I wont respond because your responses already throw away your position. BTW, you s…
[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=14587.msg165741#msg165741 date=1377281838]
What is the difference Moses and Athanasius? I don't know, but then again what is the difference between Moses and my friend next door? You have no right to determin…
[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=14587.msg165738#msg165738 date=1377279250]
Thats it. You're on the Hot seet lol
Firstly, liking the saints to Elijah is not the same thing. You are giving the 'manmade' saints the same status as Biblical prop…
[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=14587.msg165735#msg165735 date=1377277786]
You cannot play both sides of the field. You promote soul sleep as a general rule, and when it is shown through the Transfiguration account that this is not true, yo…
[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14587.msg165733#msg165733 date=1377276917]
I am providing you verses, and you are providing me personal interpretations. It would be helpful to see a verse in particular so we can discuss. No verse should contra…
[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14587.msg165731#msg165731 date=1377276321]
"And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him." Matthew 17:3
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Specific instances of specific people do not suggest that all the other saints…
[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14587.msg165729#msg165729 date=1377275442]
- And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
The spirit does not die.
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I never said that the spirit died, but it…
Does the Bible not make it clear (Thessalonians) that those who are dead are asleep? They are not resurrected to paradise until the second coming of Christ.
Therefore saints are not in a position to intercede on anyone's behalf.
Do you not know th…
[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14587.msg165726#msg165726 date=1377273561]
'Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol or a physical object such as a cult image as a god.' - Wikipedia
It is important to note that in no way do an…