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OK - but just a small point : when God did breath into mankind, they became physically and spiritually immortal. Or was it only spiritually immortal?
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Hi Katanikhoros, Thank you for your informative and well written posts, by the way! I think I understand the gist of what you are saying: whether God created 1 man or we evolved from apes and then became at a state where God breathed His Life into u…
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For the benefit of everyone, allow me to summarise what my problem is: We have been taught that we inherited a corrupt nature. From whom did we inherit this nature? From Adam & Eve. "If you eat, you will die". We die. Physically & Spirit…
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Zoxsasi, what did I or minasoliman change to "accommodate" science. Dear blessed brother, Is it me, or did anyone else get the impression that you adhere to a theology where God did not create ONE man and ONE woman, but allowed mankind to be formed…
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Im so confused. I'm lost even. You seem to be all going around in circles if not contradicting yourselves. Why can't someone just explain to me, in simple language: IF Adam was just a representative for all mankind, and as a person, didnt even exis…
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What is the nature of this gift? Mina, I'm just paraphrasing Fr Peter Farrington. I just repeated what he told us about the fall of man. Don't ask me anymore as I'm not so knowledgeable. Having said that, I think what I believe is basically what mo…
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Hi Mina, I think there's quite a bit of misunderstanding here on such a forum. Voice chat would have been better. When I said "God can create immortality" - i meant that He could give us the gift of immortality - by virtue of His Gift. That's all. W…
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If dust is immortal, then you've made God co-essential with creation. Immortality is not created; it is uncreated. God did not create divine nature. I can agree to disagree on your "one Adam and one Eve" doctrine, but the idea that immortality ca…
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Well, we will agree to disagree on that. I base my whole theology on Christ, and I think that's how the Church fathers based their whole theology as well. Theology is knowledge of God in Christ, not in man. Theology is about the New Adam and the …
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I remember this testimony of a party girl who used to party heavily. She had some kind of cardiac arrest and died. Its all documented on YouTube. She wasn't particularly religious in anyway, but she had this out of body experience. She floated up …
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So, is your main problem the number of "first human beings"? Do you believe only one male and one female should be dogma? Hi Mina, Yes. It IS already dogma in our Church. Our entire theology, so far, is based on the fact that ONE man (MISTER ADAM)…
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Mina, You seem to hold great importance to the questions you are asking me rather than just answering the questions I have; as if by me answering you, I will have somehow discovered the secrets of Genesis and Evolutionary Genetics. I answered you m…
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I just want to ascertain one thing, Mina: Do you appreciate the heftiness of this subject on the faith of our Church members? Especially the younger generation. Our current Church theology, or at least what is being taught to our Children pertainin…
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By the way, Mina, The above article by Andrew was apparently written by a Coptic Priest. Do you understand that you are taking on the entire Coptic Orthodox Church here?? Not that I mind.. i don't care; but please bear in mind that when you write, …
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Dust Theology 101 God creating us from dust = the acceptance that Adam & Eve existed.The two persons, Mr Adam and Mrs Eve actually, physically existed. Why? Because God creating them out of dust meant that the end product was someone. If we had…
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+ I have a link for you: http://www.orthodoxy.ca/2011/10/glorified-through-hardship-virtuous-suffering/ It has to do with creation/evolution I hope you find this helpful Mina, Let's take a small break for a second. Have you actually read the link t…
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3. Is Adam and Eve made in the image of dust if they are created from dust? If they existed, they are made in the image of God. 4. If evolution leads to immorality, how do I explain the Biblical passages of genocide in the Old Testament? Did God …
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I'm also fed up of people trying to teach me lessons here. I'm asking questions that theologians have been asked and cannot answer. What is wrong with everyone? OK. Here are the answers to Mina's questions: 1. How is creation from dust different th…
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This is why we are having problems. Because THERE IS NO WAY that evolutionary theory (Macro-evolution) is compatible with Christianity or Theism. Those who think it is are going to end up with a patchwork of nice ideas sown with philosophical thread…
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Guys, I feel what you are doing is dangerous. You are all, by the way, answering my points by asking me loaded questions. Please please see the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPFi8k5IMK0 CHRISTIANITY AND EVOLUTIONARY THEORY ARE IN…
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And given that there are some clear theological problems, we have to take a step back and reevaluate things. DEFINATELY! No one is talking about this re-evaluation. Everyone's talking to me as if my understanding is flawed and all this is so obvio…
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Perhaps you should ask the question in reverse, how is evolving from Apes keeping you from being in the image and Likeness of God? Because God didnt create us, we evolved. What did God create? Then if He did created us from Apes, it means that deat…
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Does accepting evolution (human evolution from Apes or lower primates) in any way impact what the Church teaches about the fall of mankind? I've read this thread over and over and I can't see how we can believe that we evolved from Apes and still be…
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Katanikhoros, Apologies. Fresh start: how did the Fathers describe it? Can you give us a small summary? a) Did they use the term "purgatory" - or was this the closest term they could find to describe what happens when we die? b) Are Toll Houses in…
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hi Kata, No. Not at all my good friend. I'm thinking of purgatory as a place of purification and solitude from God.Why? Well, this is the spiritual logic of catholics concerning purgatory: Let's say you repent for a sin against someone. God forgives…
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KataIt makes no sense that God needs to purify us afterwards. We are already purified in baptism and renewed in confession and repentance. Does that mean that although my sins are forgiven, they are not completely forgiven? I still have a lot to pa…
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Hi Katanikhoros, This is really interesting. What did St. John Chrysostom say about Purgatory? Well, concerning Vassula (arrghh) she said that in her visions and conversations with Christ that purgatory is confirmed. All I can say is that from spe…
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Guys, I'm confused. Mina is telling us that Genesis is allegorical and evolution is a fact (that we evolved from apes), and you are saying something different. Are you a Church servant, Katanikhoros?