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Iqbal, The lake of fire is somethimg very different from Hades. And you can take issue with the word "all" if you like, in which case I posit that also the word "eternal" does not always mean unending in Greek. But there's little wiggle room out o…
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Iqbal, Perhaps you would like to say where you see Hippolytus and Irenaeus saying that only the OT righteous who believed in the Messiah were saved. From Irenaeus I find: The Lord God remembered His dead from the people of Israel, who had fallen …
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[quote author=Iqbal link=board=1;threadid=1978;start=60#msg30193 date=1120322594] As shown elsewhere, St Clement makes it clear that only the righteous (both Jew - righteous according to the Torah, and Gentile - righteous according to natural law) w…
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[quote author=Iqbal link=board=1;threadid=1978;start=60#msg30184 date=1120320077] GJI, b) you can listen to the personal belief of others and their own usage of patristics. [/quote] Those patristic quotations are not my "personal belief", they ar…
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G.J.I. You may pass off the quotes u_stole_my_name posted if you like, but before you get flippant please consider that you are opposing St. Clement of Alexandria in this: " Do not [the Scriptures] show that the Lord preached the Gospel to those …
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[quote author=Safaa link=board=1;threadid=1978;start=45#msg30096 date=1120262287] Hallo xaira, Do any believers in the Holy Bible, both Old and New Testaments, are convinced that all people before Jesus were raised from Hades? As our friend Iqbal…
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Safaa, Do you have biblical or traditional proof for those statements? What do you do with the early church fathers quoted by u_stole_my_name on page 1?
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[quote author=Safaa link=board=12;threadid=1913;start=15#msg29817 date=1120087668] Hello sandrahanna, Please read again my post on the first page, because some later posting might cofuse you. [/quote] Safaa, since you bring it up again, let me ju…
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[quote author=G.J.I link=board=1;threadid=1978;start=0#msg29947 date=1120186172] by reading the old testement u see that there where many evil doers, ur saying they were rasied to paradise? "Christ will descend that in order that all, both on earth…
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Yes, the decent of Christ into Hades was, specifically, to preach to the souls that were there and to set them free. Verses on this are 1 Peter 4:6 " For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they ar…
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Michael_Thoma, What you are decribing is another errata of the Catholic church when it comes to ecclesiology. The ancient Church canons, especially Nicea, strictly forbade a Patriarch from being already a bishop. This is because the Patriarch is th…
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u_stole_my_name, No, I am not mad at you.
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ExGreek, I don't think the BOC or FCOC is "cracker-fied" or has anything like you imagine it to be like. I am sure that the AOC would take itself seriously enough to avoid the shiraz. If you enjoy expressing your counter-American-culture self in t…
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Dear Onkh, [quote author=Onkh link=board=4;threadid=1880;start=45#msg29670 date=1119965307] For arguments sake say the AOC was establisehd what happens when our children grow up and want to go to it instead of the coptic orthdox what happens then??…
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Dear mazza, [quote author=mazza link=board=4;threadid=1880;start=45#msg29668 date=1119963775] guys i truly respect each of ur opinion, but if this does happen and a church does cater 4 these people, more people will leave our church [/quote] They …
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droit4jesus, thank you for those quotes. It is on the basis of these Bible verses and the Church Tradition that I disgree with jono. I'm sorry, but the Holy Synod is not infallible, if they make a decision that is agianst the Bible and Tradition it …
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Iqbal, It is known that pope Kryllos IV was an Iconoclast and many ancient icons were tossed into fires due to his ruling on this, the Coptic Church Review did an article on it a few years ago (the CCR is presently offline, so I can't pull up the a…
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??? Do you guys listen to yourself??? There is such a thing like the Australian Orthodox Church already in existence and fully canonical, it's called the British Orthodox Church, notice, it doesn't have "Coptic" in its name. Also the French Coptic…