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"Be angry and do not sin" (Ephesians 4:26)
Does anyone know what this means ??? Isnt anger a sin in the first place? I need some commentary by a chuech father about it too please. Thank you
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Does anyone know what this means ??? Isnt anger a sin in the first place? I need some commentary by a chuech father about it too please. Thank you
anger is NOT a sin. it's a feeling. it's like jealousy, love, kindness.....etc.
any feeling is not a sin unless it's acted upon.
I basically have not said much than Mina's, I just emphasised on his point as Joe recommended in the previous thread:-)
I thought I often come across similar verse in the Psalms
yeah its in psalm 4:4
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Does anyone know what this means ??? Isnt anger a sin in the first place? I need some commentary by a chuech father about it too please. Thank you
anger is NOT a sin. it's a feeling. it's like jealousy, love, kindness.....etc.
any feeling is not a sin unless it's acted upon.
I agree anger in itself isn't a sin, Regretful sinner gave a good example of that...
what about the feeling of hatred, lust, desiring things that belong to your neighbour (like jealousy).., aren't those sins?
God Bless
yeah its in psalm 4:4
LOL,thanks, I was just checking my Agpeya. It is in the morning hours Pslams, and cos I am mostly lousy to do the morning prayers,it took me a while to figure out the page. Shame on me!
I agree anger in itself isn't a sin, Regretful sinner gave a good example of that...
what about the feeling of hatred, lust, desiring things that belong to your neighbour (like jealousy).., aren't those sins?
i don't refine them to be. A feeling and a though can all be controlled to fit what will not get you into sin.
hey i dont know if you guys remember my previous post about hurting someone special to me but this is what i mean. i was angry and said mean things but i never acted on my words but it was just anger that caused me to say things i did not mean
It is still inexcusable to say mean things to people, whether you meant it or not. Once said unfortunatley you can't take it back. We have all said things that are hurtful that we later on regret. We just have to repent and try our best not to do it again.
"Whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles" Proverbs 21:23
"Death and life are in the power of the tongue" Proverbs 18:21
Words can have a tremendous negative or positive effect on people. Its not always easy to control what comes out of our mouth especially when we are angry but here is a good prayer to remember in those situations.
'Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth; keep watch over the door of my lips" Psalm 141:3
hey i dont know if you guys remember my previous post about hurting someone special to me but this is what i mean. i was angry and said mean things but i never acted on my words but it was just anger that caused me to say things i did not mean
that's the action upon anger that we are not supposed to do....becoming a sin.
Be angry in what is right.. but do not sin!!
"Be ye angry, and sin not."
Observe his wisdom. He both speaks to prevent our sinning, and, if we
do not listen, still does not forsake us; for his fatherly compassion
does not desert him. For just as the physician prescribes to the sick
what he must do, and if he does not submit to it, still does not treat
him with contempt, but proceeding to add what advice he can by
persuasion, again goes on with the cure; so also does Paul. For he
indeed who does otherwise, aims only at reputation, and is annoyed at
being disregarded; whereas he who on all occasions aims at the recovery
of the patient, has this single object in view, how he may restore the
patient, and raise him up again. This then is what Paul is doing. He
has said, "Lie not." Yet if ever lying should produce anger, [339] he
goes on again to cure this also. For what saith he? "Be ye angry, and
sin not." It were good indeed never to be angry. Yet if ever any one
should fall into passion, still let him not fall into so great a
degree. "For let not the sun," saith he, "go down upon your wrath."
Wouldest thou have thy fill of anger? One hour, or two, or three, is
enough for thee; let not the sun depart, and leave you both at enmity.
It was of God's goodness that he rose: let him not depart, having shone
on unworthy men. For if the Lord of His great goodness sent him, and
hath Himself forgiven thee thy sins, and yet thou forgivest not thy
neighbor, look, how great an evil is this! And there is yet another
besides this. The blessed Paul dreads the night, [340] lest overtaking
in solitude him that was wronged, still burning with anger, it should
again kindle up the fire. For as long as there are many things in the
daytime to banish it, thou art free to indulge it; but as soon as ever
the evening comes on, be reconciled, extinguish the evil whilst it is
yet fresh; for should night overtake it, the morrow will not avail to
extinguish the further evil which will have been collected in the
night. Nay, even though thou shouldest cut off the greater portion, and
yet not be able to cut off the whole, it will again supply from what is
left for the following night, to make the blaze more violent. And just
as, should the sun be unable by the heat of the day to soften and
disperse that part of the air which has been during the night condensed
into cloud, it affords material for a tempest, night overtaking the
remainder, and feeding it again with fresh vapors: so also is it in the
case of anger.
Pray for my weakness,
childoforthodoxy
From the Homilies on Ephesians by St. John Chrysostom:
"Be ye angry, and sin not."
Observe his wisdom. He both speaks to prevent our sinning, and, if we
do not listen, still does not forsake us; for his fatherly compassion
does not desert him. For just as the physician prescribes to the sick
what he must do, and if he does not submit to it, still does not treat
him with contempt, but proceeding to add what advice he can by
persuasion, again goes on with the cure; so also does Paul. For he
indeed who does otherwise, aims only at reputation, and is annoyed at
being disregarded; whereas he who on all occasions aims at the recovery
of the patient, has this single object in view, how he may restore the
patient, and raise him up again. This then is what Paul is doing. He
has said, "Lie not." Yet if ever lying should produce anger, [339] he
goes on again to cure this also. For what saith he? "Be ye angry, and
sin not." It were good indeed never to be angry. Yet if ever any one
should fall into passion, still let him not fall into so great a
degree. "For let not the sun," saith he, "go down upon your wrath."
Wouldest thou have thy fill of anger? One hour, or two, or three, is
enough for thee; let not the sun depart, and leave you both at enmity.
It was of God's goodness that he rose: let him not depart, having shone
on unworthy men. For if the Lord of His great goodness sent him, and
hath Himself forgiven thee thy sins, and yet thou forgivest not thy
neighbor, look, how great an evil is this! And there is yet another
besides this. The blessed Paul dreads the night, [340] lest overtaking
in solitude him that was wronged, still burning with anger, it should
again kindle up the fire. For as long as there are many things in the
daytime to banish it, thou art free to indulge it; but as soon as ever
the evening comes on, be reconciled, extinguish the evil whilst it is
yet fresh; for should night overtake it, the morrow will not avail to
extinguish the further evil which will have been collected in the
night. Nay, even though thou shouldest cut off the greater portion, and
yet not be able to cut off the whole, it will again supply from what is
left for the following night, to make the blaze more violent. And just
as, should the sun be unable by the heat of the day to soften and
disperse that part of the air which has been during the night condensed
into cloud, it affords material for a tempest, night overtaking the
remainder, and feeding it again with fresh vapors: so also is it in the
case of anger.
Pray for my weakness,
childoforthodoxy
ok... thank you very much. that is exactly what i was looking for. :)
Anger isn't a sin. Here is an example....... wen Jesus entered the temple and saw people selling things. He got angry and flipped over the tables. He said (Luke 19:46) " It is written,'My house is a house of prayer,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'"
but...doesn't taht kind of seem like acting upon anger..because he yelled and flipped over their tables.does this mean it's okay to act on when your anger is justified?
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Anger isn't a sin. Here is an example....... wen Jesus entered the temple and saw people selling things. He got angry and flipped over the tables. He said (Luke 19:46) " It is written,'My house is a house of prayer,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'"
but...doesn't taht kind of seem like acting upon anger..because he yelled and flipped over their tables.does this mean it's okay to act on when your anger is justified?
well i learned this topic a long type ago. but my sunday school teacher said that we can't always act upon our anger especialy if it will lead to sin. wut Jesus did wasn't sin. He did it because the people were not praying in church like they are supposed to , but selling in it using it as a flee market. Don't u think u should get angry and flip the tables? yah of course!!! but if u get mad at someone and then punch him in the face, that is sin! see that anger led to sin. do u see the difference?
oh if i said something wrong, plz someone correct me!!! but i think i am correct!!!
The verse "Be angry, and do not sin" was explained by
the fathers in two ways:
1. The holy anger for the sake of God, as long as it in a
spiritual manner with no trespasses, is holy in its purpose and
its action also.
2. The anger of the person because of his personal faults and
of the sins he committed, will result in him not sining in the
future.
The saying of the apostle "Do not avenge yourselves, but
rather give place to wrath" means to give a chance for the
anger to depart from you and not give it a place to settle
inside you... do not keep the anger inside you. It might turn
to hatred and desire for revenge. Give it a chance to depart
from you.
**this can be found in the book So Many Years With People's Questions Volume 1 by HH Pope Shenouda.