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Unknown

aghapy everyone!

i juss wnated to no a few things..  i now how to read coptic and everything.  but i wanteda  few pointers.  about the delta, epsilon, and the kai.  they all have more than one letter.  rite?  but which letter do we prounce and wen!!  plzz help thxx

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mahraeel
plzz p4m sister in Christ

jydeacon

The delta, can either be pronounced as a d or a z depending on where it is in the word, generally when you have[coptic]Doxa [/coptic] it will be a z in [coptic]Dauid[/coptic] its pronunced as a d. now the epsilon can be tricky, it can be a v an o or a w again depending on the word and its placement. when its placed in the word david as shown in the previous word its a v, when its in the word [coptic]ouoh[/coptic] its a w, in the word [coptic]`Pwou[/coptic] its an o. the kai is much the same, its either sh, kh, k [coptic]<ere <aritomene `n,wlem[/coptic] are three examples respectively

Unknown

heyy jy deacon thxx but srry i have another question.  with these letters, for ex i think theres lke a hint opr osmethin lke if it coems after a vowel or constatnts stuff lke that.  lke  grammer.  cuz u see im teachin a coptic lesson and i need to now to teach correctly.  well thxx for ur help soo far!!!


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mahareel
plzz p4m sister in Christ

minatasgeel

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aghapy everyone!

i juss wnated to no a few things..  i now how to read coptic and everything.  but i wanteda  few pointers.  about the delta, epsilon, and the kai.  they all have more than one letter.  rite?  but which letter do we prounce and wen!!  plzz help thxx

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mahraeel
plzz p4m sister in Christ


epsilos is the hardest letter int he coptic language....by favorite.
when it's after an [coptic]a, e[/coptic] it a 'v'
when it's after a [coptic]o[/coptic], both latters make the hard 'oo' sound.
when after any other letter, it's an 'i'

jydeacon

Minagir is correct, i forgot about that, it can also be pronounced as an i as well. basically it just takes some practice and knowing how the word should sound, just like in english you wouldn't automatically know how to pronounce the word stomach if you say it for the first time but somebody would have to tell you that the ch is pronounced as a k in this example or as in ache after a while you just pick up on the patterns

Unknown

oo thxx mina and jydeacon.  but mina do uno about the other to,  do they also hav "hints"!!!



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mahraeel
plzz p4m sister in Christ

minatasgeel

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oo thxx mina and jydeacon.  but mina do uno about the other to,  do they also hav "hints"!!!


well it's mostly the way u learn it. like jydeacon the delta have the d and the z sound to it. there are rules but i just say certin words the way i learned them.

also the khai is very femous especially for saying she and kee. what i learned is that if the word is orignaly greek it said she, if not, than it's either kee or khee. but i just say them the way i learned.

Unknown

o okay i say certain words the way i lerned them too.  but i juss wanted to no if i was reading rite all these yrs and to teach correctly.  well thank u guys soo much its been a great help/ 


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mahareel
Plzz p4m Sister in Christ

Unknown

The delta, can either be pronounced as a d or a z

[coptic]D[/coptic] should never be pronounced as Z. In the Greek word [coptic]Doxa[/coptic], for example, it should be pronounced as the th in the, this, that, etc.

what i learned is that if the word is orignaly greek it said she, if not, than it's either kee or khee. but i just say them the way i learned.

The sh sound does not exist in standard Greek (which I'm guessing is why the letter [coptic]S[/coptic] was added to the Coptic alphabet). [coptic]<[/coptic] is always pronounced kh, k or h.

Unknown

oo thxx u too orthodox 11!!  but u sure the kai is prounced as an h too.  well jusst a question thxx nayway


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mahraeel
plzz p4m sister in Christ

Unknown

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oo thxx u too orthodox 11!!  but u sure the kai is prounced as an h too.  well jusst a question thxx nayway


Well not quite as soft as a normal h, but not quite as rough as kh or the arabic 7. There is no sound in English or Arabic that corresponds (It does exist in German and the Nordic languages, but I'm guessing that's of little help here).

I can think of no accurate way of transliterating words such as [coptic]<ere[/coptic] or [coptic]proceu<y[/coptic] into English. You'd have to listen to it being said.

I'm not sure of any rules for when [coptic]<[/coptic] is pronounced this way (as opposed to k), although it will never occur when followed by a consonant.

The rest of the words use either soft kh or k. For example:
[coptic]<rictoc[/coptic] (Khristos) - soft kh
[coptic]proc<wmen[/coptic] (proskomen) - k.

minatasgeel

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[quote author=mahraeel link=topic=5705.msg76223#msg76223 date=1188412348]
oo thxx u too orthodox 11!!  but u sure the kai is prounced as an h too.  well jusst a question thxx nayway


Well not quite as soft as a normal h, but not quite as rough as kh or the arabic 7.


i have heard about that 2.
but does it matter between old greek and the modern?

Unknown

well im not rely sure mina im not lke a encyclopedia but i dont really think it does.  but maybe someone can correct me if im rong!

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mahraeel
plzz p4m Sister in Christ