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Here it is. I found it. Deacon. Shoria.

St. PachomSt. Pachom
edited January 2014 in General Announcements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEmPAeWIIR8 
at 00:55 you will see a coptic (Deacon/ subdeacon) at the church of the Holy Sepulchre.
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  • minatasgeelminatasgeel
    hehe. Holy Sepulchre is in Jerusalem, a separate diocese that has it's own rite in many thing. The fact that Metropolitan Abraham is consider and Patriarch is interesting by itself. 
  • St. PachomSt. Pachom
    Mina, The Holy Sepulchre is shared. There is a Catholic section, a greek section, an antiochian section, an armenian section, ( the Armenians were having a procession there and got in a fight with the greeks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMBjiILTRk)
    A COPTIC SECTION, etc. 
    There are many altars and jurisdictions there.
  • minatasgeelminatasgeel
    I said the whole diocese had it's own rite, not only when praying in that church. I myself don't know much details. 

  • St. PachomSt. Pachom
    Ah I see. Interesting.
  • christ_rosechrist_rose
    Well, St. Athanasius does mention that the deacons in the original church were the ones who did use the censer. Also, this rite is preserved in many other orthodox churches
  • meanzmeanz
    This rite is still preserved in the COC
  • RemnkemiRemnkemi
    Can you give the exact reference of what St Athanasius said? Hopefully it is something I can research and confirm it came from St Athanasius.
  • christ_rosechrist_rose
    Sure Rem. As far as i was told... The priest would put the incense into the censer and the deacon cense. Deacon Antonios actually mentioned this as well in a recent convention and used Saint Athanasius as a source. Also up until two decades ago, deacons used to go around the church during the diptych with the censer.
  • RemnkemiRemnkemi
    Yes I know that is what we are being taught. But no one actually has a reference. I guess we can say this is oral tradition.
  • RamezM
    Rem,

    My guess is that they are all referring to the canons of Athanasius that we talked about previously, which many erroneously attribute to Athanasius the Great.
  • markmarcosmarkmarcos
    i was in St.Mary and St.Moses abbey texas and i was lucky to dress as a deacon and take cumunion in an indian orthodox mass! it was great and yes the deacon would use the shoria it was very interesting!
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