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[quote author=JG link=topic=13615.msg159504#msg159504 date=1346426493] [quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13615.msg159503#msg159503 date=1346425114] Anselm and Ambrose may have made mistakes, but they are Orthodox. [/quote] Anselm? As in the …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13615.msg159506#msg159506 date=1346426998] I rarely quote Coptic Fathers, but I use the fathers of the EO church to analyze my dogmas. My sources do not stop at St. Cyril, but continue through St. Maxemous the conf…
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Of course it does matter. If they are really saying the same thing, then I do quote my Fathers. If they say the same thing, it matters very little who you quote. However, your inability to accept the fact that these people are quotable is absolute p…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159414#msg159414 date=1346250634] Yes it does apply. You want to extend a metaphorical comparison of Abraham and Levi to Adam and particular humans, not humanity in general. If such is the case, then logica…
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Thank you all for your input. Ill try to do some of them. ReturnOrthodoxy
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159375#msg159375 date=1346192940] Reminkimi says that the Orthodox families do reject St Ambrose teaching. Which family is that? Reject St Ambrose teaching means rejecting the liturgical prayers, St Cyril…
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God will not judge me as having "eaten from the fruit." That was Adam not me. Adam sinned, and we inherit the effects of that sin, but not the sin itself. If my mom was sexually plural, and contracted HIV, then she had me, I may be born with this …
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No, we become mortals on a ccount of Adam's mortality. The sin of those who engendered us, viz. the sin of Adam and Eve, is not naturally (kata phisin) mixed with our substance (ousia), as the evil and impious opinion of the Messalians, in other wo…
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Wrong, This verse only states that we inherit the effects of Adam's sin. But we are not sinners along with Adam. Adam sinned, and so his nature changed, and because he gave birth to me, I inherit this nature. But sin is not a change in nature. Ada…
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imikhail, You are correct. To be honest, I did not read through the whole thing. I just wanted to point out that it made sense. I will go back, and read through the whole thing, and I'll try to figure it out. I was actually in the class with Albei…
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The Body of Christ is the Church - both militant and victorious. So when we praise a saint, we are praising the body of XC. ReturnOrthodoxy
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Sadly Fr. Peter is no longer on this site. I will try to ask him privatley what he thinks and report back. I had a question to ask but was afraid that I would be shot for it. Here it is: Was Nestorius really a nestorian? ReturnOrthodoxy
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Thank you very much Remnkemi for your reply, Maybe HE Metropolitan Bishoy is heresy hunting. Maybe no one ever claimed deification by nature and HE is rebutting an imaginary claim. Regardless of who may or may not have claimed deification by nature…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13432.msg159193#msg159193 date=1345651711] I find nothing in Metropolitan Bishoy's letter as heterdox that Fr Athanasius commented on. In HE Met Bishoy's article, he makes a distinction by deification by adoption an…
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Severian, I am not saying that Theodoret is a father or Doctor of the church. Not even that he has proper theology. I am saying that in the council to which he was invited by Pope Leo, he did excommunicate Nestorius. This is a response to Ioannes'…
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Leo supported Theodoret, even forcing him into the council. Theodoret is a confirmed nestorian. Wanted to also ask why it is that Theodoret approved the excommunication of Nestorius in 451? ReturnOrthodoxy
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imikhail, I'm playing around man. If you want to continue this discussion, I will do some research, and figure some things out. Maybe later I can come back. Plus, I just got back from a 12 hour drive. Forgive me if I'm not patient. RO
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Like a bunny wabbit ;D ;)
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imikhail, Yes. I am a protestant. :D My example is very logical. I see nothing wrong with it. Your ad hominem: now that is illogical. Its fine though. If it is Ok with you O' protector of Orthodoxy, I have a God to worship in love. ReturnProt…
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I can say that I am a partaker of my father's inheritance even though he is alive. It is well understood what I mean. Heresy hunting. I'm not down for this discussion. My point is as clear as it is going to be. Personally, I have no real problem w…
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I do not believe intimate mediation has to do with it. I do. As the people needed mediation in the OT, so in the NT. Sure! Hence intercessions and the like. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. George was (and I think still is) a member of the Russian …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13611.msg159068#msg159068 date=1345215551] Whoever thinks that the Lord paid the price of sins on the Cross This is the essence of Christianity. [/quote] I think that this horse has been beaten enough over the pas…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13611.msg159066#msg159066 date=1345213922] Ninth: Whoever says that the Patriarch is the head of the Church, or says so in theory; then he as denied the leadership of Christ, the head, from whom grows every member…
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Memory Eternal!
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TBH, I always took that as being a comemoration of my sin, and how the sin of Adam relates to mine. It has never seemed to me that I was literally condemning my self for the sin. Its like me saying, "I betrayed Jesus with a kiss." I evidently neve…
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Regardless of what mistake or how small it was, you knew that there was a mistake! Why did you know this? My question is not why there was a mistake, but how you knew there was one. ReturnOrthodoxy
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=9585.msg159001#msg159001 date=1345065738] [quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9585.msg158998#msg158998 date=1345065474] How can talking with God, performing His sacraments do not contain Him Called human error,…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=9585.msg158997#msg158997 date=1345065383] But how do you know that our rite contains error and the other rites do not? It cannot be by reference to our rite because you have said that it contains dogmatic error.…
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How can talking with God, performing His sacraments do not contain Him Called human error, and God's grace. Theology is not God. theology is the study of God. An incorrect theology doesn't mean that you are lacking him, just mistaken about him. Can…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=9585.msg158989#msg158989 date=1345064487] [quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9585.msg158988#msg158988 date=1345064153] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=9585.msg158987#msg158987 date=1345063863] [quote author=…