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Why just meat? Nearly every food in america is Kosher in some way. Kosher does not follow OT as most people think but it follows talmudic law which supersedes the mosaic law.…
I believe in Higher Institute's Kiahk Recordings the hymn is sung by M. Tewfik. M. Tewfik does it in the Moharraq way, while the Cairene version is significantly different. Personally, I learned HCOC's way, which is identical to Ibrahim Ayad's way. …
I found the link to that thread with the doxology.
You'll notice that in that thread I said no translation will be given since a deacon must learn Coptic. But I think a translation is in order:
The dear and strong man, with a powerful voice, who l…
I think St Paul answered this in Romans 8.
Let me preface the argument by giving a simile. Can a foreign slave inherit a kingdom without doing anything? Even if a foreign slave conquered armies for his new king, does that give him the right to inhe…
If you go here, you'll find the long intercession hymn by M. Mikhail, M. Faheem, M. Tawfik, M. Farag, an M. Sadek. I believe HCOC's production Liturgy of the Word has another recording of M. Mikhail.
Note, not all versions above are the same. Some…
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How is it possible not to be descendants of the Pharaohs?
It all depends on how you define descendants. Some argue that true descendants of the Pharaohs are pure breed Egyptian…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13245.msg155151#msg155151 date=1335913230]
Your observation is correct. If there is no source then do not invent one.
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It's amazing that you can't tell I was being facetious and sarcastic. It is equally amaz…
Three ways for Ooniatk are being taught, HCOC's way with different words, Abouna Asheya al Moharaqqi (different tune in the first verse), M. Zaher or whoever in Tanta (different texts than M. Wadie's version). All differing from the original record…
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You argument is flawed because you mix religion with ethnicity.[/quote]
If there is no mixing religion with ethnicity, is Coptic alhan exclusively religious and non-ethnic?…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13237.msg155124#msg155124 date=1335881753]
Who are the Pharoahs? They are the early inhabitants of Egypt.
Who are the descendants of Pharaoh? The modern Copts.
Every nation has a folklore, culture and a certain …
You bring up a good point baempi. I'm sorry if my previous post implied that oral tradition is not as valid as written tradition. However, current standards of research require corroborating written evidence to support a theory. And this seems to be…
The real question is are the only legitimate hymns the ones recorded by M. Mikhail or M. Tawfik? Or is it possible that other lesser known cantors recorded hymns that these two did not and these recordings are "legitimate"?
I think M. Mikhail is th…
Having presented at St Shenouda Coptic Society in 2007 on "The Current state of research in Coptic Ethnomusicology", I can summarize what I have found in the 35 years of research since the First International Association of Coptic Studies (IACS) con…
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He said that if they are already ordaining someone to be dedicated to the church, the…
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Now how do you convince someone who doesn't believe in our God (an atheist, a hindu etc) that God created the world or even that He exists without using the Bible.
Th…
Thank you Mina for the reference.
It seems that there is a contradiction here. First the author of "The Spiritual Pearl" (Bishop Severus al-Muqaffa?) says the general funeral replaces the individual funeral on the four days (Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri) whe…
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So if someone dies during the holy week, the church will not pray on him during the holy week because the church is busy during the holy week focusing on the pascha.[/quote…
Sad, Fr Peter. I'm not on that list? Just kidding.
In many ways, the examples you give and the example JG gives reinforce my ongoing argument that we are practicing things in a social and cultural matrix. Religion, especially Orthodoxy, is not exe…
So if someone didn't attend the general funeral prayer on Palm Sunday and died during the Pascha week, you're saying no funeral will be ever done after Easter? You're saying "Funeral prayers are not done again"? Before you go saying this is the rite…
Very nice response aiernovi. I would add that the potential person needs to have a college education and not seeking monastic life because he doesn't know what career he wants. If the person is very young, he will need parental permission. Parental …
Thank you George and everyone else. Your information confirmed my thoughts about the general funeral. I would like to add some comments.
It never made sense for me to have something called a "general" funeral. It's an oxymoron and a paradox. How ca…
Ecclesiastes 3 tells "There is a time for everything and a season for every activity under the heavens". It is true that there is a time for liturgy and there is a time for palm weaving. But it seems some are advocating more. Ecclesiastes doesn't sa…
Are we expecting a church of motionless, "well behaved" people and children or a church of human beings? Are we expecting millions of Copts to all of a sudden stop being human beings and become angels? When St John the Short became proud in his hear…
Having served in the North East Coptic Clergy convention, I can tell you that Pope Shenouda has always instructed his priests to "have compassion on the people". In other words, don't be so strict and judgmental.
No one will hear me argue that ther…
Not so sure that includes the Myron. The holy Myron can only be touched by the priest. And the patriarch has to make new myron. Maybe some of the other oils used in baptism (I forget the Coptic names for them) can be replenished by adding. Maybe ILS…
So what is the final verdict? Do we pray the Annunciation rite or Lazarus Saturday rite? I haven't seen a clear cut answer. Just conflicting answers from different diaconate lectionaries and grumbling over what the rite used to be.
RO,
First of all, I hope you never stop posting because you are very articulate. You ask thought-provoking questions. I personally learned a lot of things researching answers for you and others on this site.
Secondly, I didn't mean to say Pope Cyr…
[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13087.msg153713#msg153713 date=1332812419]
We need to work on true Orthodoxy. This is not decided by a good pope like H.H. Pope Shenouda or one that brought on corruption (Pope Cyril 3)....
Am I going to get…