The Bylaws of 1957, which is the presiding law currently, states the pope has to be Egyptian born. The bylaws clearly need updating since they have rules that really make no sense anymore (only priests who can perform marriages can vote, etc). They …
I actually gave up listening to the podcast about the half way mark. There was too much misinformation and bias talk to justify spending more time on this. I think I gave more than enough evidence to show that.
Point #4: The irony of bigotry
From 16:18 to about 25 minutes, Gabe introduces 2 books by Coptic clergy against homosexuality, one by the late Pope Shenouda III and one by Fr Mikhail Mikhail. As before, as soon as Gabe introduces the books, he says,…
Point #3: Freedom of choice vs. Freedom to sinGabe introduces a Copt, Fady Joseph, who changed his conservative views on homosexuality to a more "modern" liberal view. Fady describes a story at 7:03, "Well back then I grew up and I thought it was a …
Point #2: Love the sinner vs. hate the sinGabe's panel of Copts illustrate a misconception of Biblical truth. When asked to comment on Fr Matthew's comments, one member of his panel says at 3:39, "I do but again I would like to also say that in conj…
Since there is a character limit on responses for the new forum, I will have to separate my detailed response to Gabriel's radio broadcast. I will do my best to keep it coherent.
I will start out by stating that a radio talk show on a gay website is…
Wow. Ioannes. It is so good to hear from you. I didn't know you had so many books. I may take you up on your offer. Thank you for your contributions to Coptic and Oriental Orthodoxy. God bless you.
Speaking God's truth, if supported by evidence, is not contemptuous. "Get it right Remnkemi" is another ad hominem attack. You are not talking about God's truth in this sentence, you are talking about how I am wrong. I would have no problem with "I …
Cool it down people. There's a better way to object to a person's comments than ad hominem attacks like "Are you serious" or "You need to study more" or "You don't know what you're talking about." Object to the content, not the person. Object with o…
MrPete,
Thank you for the discussion. We may disagree but it is always beneficial to discuss in love without anger.
I will wait for your more detailed response. I would prefer you place them in a new thread because this thread is on incense. For the…
Honestly, I think it was the Coptic Church that influenced Islam (always in positive ways). Egyptian Arabic is the most popular Arabic dialect with a large number of Coptic loan words into Arabic. The Coptic Church is a shining example of how a loca…
The fathers spoke against all incense (even in church) for hundreds of years since they associated the act of burning incense with paganism. Are they simply applying another (different) interpretation that can simply be rebutted? There will be no ev…
Ray, That's splitting hairs now. Yes, Korah rebelled by appointing himself and 250 other elders (men of renown) as priests and not the actual act of raising of incense. But it was Moses who used "burning incense" as the sign and the test if God sent…
Zoxsasi, Nothing is wrong with anybody. What you have described is perfectly fine concerning arranged marriages. Keep in mind that the phrase "arranged marriage" has a different meaning than what you described. In fact, it has multiple meanings (for…
Historically, incense has been offered as a sign of joy and even a sign of sadness in funerals. It is mostly offered for fumigatory reasons. What the original poster was claiming was offering incense based on Malachi 1:11, which describes offering t…
As far as I can see from Indian sources, what you are describing is not exactly an Indian arranged marriage. In the Indian arranged marriage scheme, the families choose spouses but each individual has the right to say no and that doesn't happen on t…
I don't know what the EO view is exactly but I am fairly certain that no one burns incense at home (at least not practicing Orthodox Christians)
There is a problem with your logic. In Malachi 1, God was speaking to Jewish priests, not to the average…
Zoxsasi, I don't think Mina said anything about divorce. It seems your definition of arranged marriage is different than his.
If, like Mina said, an arranged marriage is a situation where a couple does not have the right to say no, by unofficial Ch…
Actually, Fr Antonios said something that partially corroborates Zoxsasi's comments at times tap 1:16:55. However, as Fr Antonios continues his discussion, he informs us that the Apostolic Coptic Orthodox Church gives instructions to the couple and …
I have been digging through old manuscripts and I found a few that deal with "Homilies of Lent". 5 of them are from the Coptic Museum collection. One manuscript is catalogued as the Old Testament Prophecies but it may be a collection of homilies. BF…
Coptsabroad,
I understand you are upset but try to be calm about this. From your first post, I also understood your message as some sort of Wiki leak type of site. I didn't even get to read your second post so I can't comment. Your last post clarifi…
St Demian's doxology in Arabic does say الختن. I apologize for confusing ختن and ختان in my previous post. Thank you Mina for educating me in my weakness.
Andrew, I don't know how to make this sound like a gentle rebuke and not an accusation. Don't you think it's a little ironic that you accuse Ray and I for "clearly misunderstanding your post...twisting things out of proportion just because some deta…
Simple. The translation is wrong because it is based on Arabic. νυμφίος means "bridegroom" not circumcision. Circumcision in Coptic is ⲡⲓⲥⲉⲃⲓ (pisebi) and in Greek it is περιτομή (peritome) for males and ακρωτηριασμός (akrotyriasmos) for the ritual …
mnc_hnn,Yes, the Egyptian culture is sexist. To a certain degree, so is Western culture. But the Orthodox Church and the Coptic Church is not. The Orthodox Church is the gospel and apostolic message of Christ: God loved us that He gave up His only S…
@mnc_hnn,You wrote "Mentioning missionary work as a point to justify that the coptic church is free from Egyptian-cultural mistakes seems to me like the coptic church was put on trial and a lawyer is trying to find all the philanthropic doings to ar…