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Are you sure it was called the Church of Ethiopia when St Frementius came? I guess we need to position our arguments in a specific location of time and space. While the Church of Ethiopia, just like the Church of Pentapolis, are o…
@ophadeceI don't want to go off on a tangent. But the definition of living language is tangential. Speaking in tongues or glossolalia, if mutually understandable between to people, is a living language. If, however, we adopt the definition that a la…
@CyrilWhat you are asking is not silly at all. It illustrates my point on English proficiency and semiotics of language. Logically, the Coptic Church in America cannot be called the Orthodox Church in Alexandria or the Orthodox Church in Egypt becau…
I'm starting to think no one but Minasoliman read what I wrote and even Mina seems to have misunderstood what I wrote. I'll summarize.
The argument that liturgical services must be done in the vernacular based on 1 Cor 14 or patristic evidence so th…
I don't understand why every time I write a post, I have like a 2-word limit and minasoliman can post books and books of patristic references without a problem. Life is not fair. I attached my response as a file. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Jc,
Not really. To the best of my knowledge we don't have an official response to the Book of Enoch. Therefore, if the Coptic church did not official condemn the Book of Enoch, then Pope Shenouda's comments (even a papal statement - that is somethin…
The priesthood of Melchizedek predates the priesthood of Aaron but both are types of the priesthood of Christ. The priesthood of Melchizedek is an offering of bread and wine. The priesthood of Aaron is a sacrificial offering of many types. The commo…
I can't find any sources for a future unity between the Coptic and Greek patriarchates of Alexandria. However, this is not new. A similar attempt was allegedly done in the 19th century between Pope Cyril IV (Coptic) and Patriarch Callinicus (Greek).…
I hope cooler heads prevail.
Like most arguments on these forums, there is quite a lot of misdirected, conflating arguments happening at once. Stavro's comments were directed at his view of the Greek patriarchate of Alexandria. Some responses to hi…
No it does not. "O Kyrios meta sou" is the last line of Shere Theotoke.
No manuscript starts Agios Istin with "O Kyrios meta sou".
Attaching "O Kyrios meta sou" to Agios istin had two purposes. First, it was just a convention many cantors used to…
What? Pope Cyril IV, Father of Reforms....let such heresy spread? You really need to look up the definition of heresy. A heresy implies a false belief that is detrimental to one's salvation. How can changing a language justifiably be called a heresy…
If the material doesn't interest you, keep moving. There are people who are passionate about things others may believe are non-essential. It is not simply internet polemics. Be respectful of others.
mina,Good points. I would like to point out one of the Aristotelian philosophical frameworks is the concept of classical elements. Aristotle didn't start it. It dates farther back to medical science. He simply added ether to the four classical eleme…
Mrpete33, It took me a lot of time to understand Stavro's method and bluntness. And even though I do not know Stavro personally, I do not think his blunt comments are a sign of a person lacking love. If anything it is the opposite. "Furthermore, we …
Stavro,I don't disagree with your assessment per se. But statements like "their Patriarch was always an imposter....Their history is one of murder, treason and immorality" have more than one interpretation. You eloquently described a political inter…
One more thing. Someone explain how Christ can hypostatically unite to the Holy Spirit at His Baptism. He is already hypostatically united to the Holy Spirit before time. Why would Christ need to hypostatically reunite to the Holy Spirit during His …
I went back and check the Coptic bible from Luke 1 to Luke 3. I realized I forgot a very important piece of information that completely debunks the theory that the indefinite article is used for non-hypostatic union and the definite article is used …
Ophadece and Imikhail,Listen I know you are both very passionate about OB. I wish we had more people like you passionate about linguistic history and identity. I have stated in the past that I like OB and I have used it in Church. I too lament over …
To add to Mina's argument. Even in Christ's hypostatic union of the two natures, nothing changed. His human nature remained fully human. The only person who claimed the divine nature of Christ changed his human nature was Eutyches.
So even if we ha…
Here we go again with the repetition.
There is no such thing as a false dialect. If two people can communicate with a dialect, even if it is an abruptly fabricated language like Klingon or Esperanto, then it is not false. Insisting on calling it fal…
You can attack me all you want. You have never addressed the actual argument in a coherent manner. Continuing to say GB is built on ignorance is a proscriptive argument, not a descriptive argument. As I said before, many of your arguments on OB are …
A fabricated dialect that takes on the same dynamic process of a natural dialect makes the two comparable. We have discussed this in many threads. Do a search and you see I had already highlighted the similarities.
Excellent. I addressed that same concept of John 1:1c in the document. The fact that we can show the indefinite article in John 1:1c cannot mean "a work of God", then we can use the same argument to show that the indefinite article for the Holy Spir…
According to the Coptic Orthodox Church and common sense. It is no different than saying "Since Sahidic Coptic is older and superior than Bohairic Coptic (and one can cite many examples), then the Church must accept Sahidic Coptic (and circumvent th…
I'd like to point out first that there seems to be some cross arguments here. The use of the indefinite article to prove the Word was a god is Arianism=Jehovah's Witness. The use of the indefinite article for the Holy Spirit to prove we do not parta…
That is such a false presumption. The authenticity and the existence of OB is not denied. It is the assumption that OB must circumvent the established GB because of some inherit superiority that is denied.