MGabby1234,
I understand what you are saying. Maybe those who do not have experience with praying both OB/GB should not complain what someone else does since they don't have experience or the ability to pray out of their comfort zone. If one is only…
In essence, this is what happened. The group of scholars of the Coptic language were listed in the beginning and given the authority by the Rites Committee of the Synod. They felt phonetics is part of the Coptic language and they presented their fin…
First of all, Ray, don't ever "get gone fast." We need here more.
There is always a spectrum with these issues. The only thing that really changes is where each church falls in this spectrum. It should be noted that for every consecutive patriarch a…
Ophadece,I am not trying to spin everything you are saying. I just want to make sure that when people present facts, they are accurate. You said no organization can make any form, decree or decision on language pronunciation. In reality, there are l…
@ophadece wrote:"the synod or any kind of organisational body cannot make any form of decrees or mere decisions about a language pronunciation FULL STOP."
Well if that is true, why do so many natural languages have language regulators. Arabic has 11…
@MGabbby1234,Yes, the Synod should make a decision if it is a disruption of liturgical praxis. But the reason they gave is absolutely inadequate. Had they simply said OB is not allowed because it disrupts prayer and we will simply use GB from here o…
@dg920, of course I know the drama that drove this decision was a really a condemnation against OB and proponents of OB. I said this already. I also already said that the way this decision is worded is extremely lacking. But nonetheless, such sociop…
Yes indeed a weak argument. Even this statement, "Bl. Paul VI’s predictions in “Humanae vitae” of the consequences of contraception have come to pass in much of the world: more marital infidelity, lowering of moral standards, exploitation of women."…
Minatasgeel is correct. The Synod has every right to control liturgical use. The Synod absolutely has control how to pronounce English (or more accurately how much colloquial English is permissible). No one wants the liturgy to turn into Urban Engli…
Yes, but Fr Peter Ferrington's article, A Preliminary Conversation on the Will of Christ with an Eastern Orthodox Monk, discuss Maximus the Confessor's description of Oriental theology and showed a problem in his understanding of the Oriental Church…
Eshpheri,
There are a few things you are asking all at once and I think it is prudent to separate them.1. The development of the Alexandrian liturgy and the liturgical studies on the Alexandria rite are grossly neglected in liturgical studies. The s…
Interesting point. By this theory, "shanini" is a calendric category referring to Palm Sunday. Somehow this calendric category became a semantic definition for a musical tone; which by observation is used outside of Palm Sunday.
Can you or anyone e…
I guess the real issue here is that no one knows what "Shanini" really means. I've looked for an etymological origin of the word for years and could not find anything. Every one I ask, thinks it simply means "Palm Sunday". When I ask for the root wo…
Depends how far they are in Upper Egypt. I personally have heard adeeb. One of the bishops told us a story about an Lower Egyptian man named Adeeb (which is a somewhat popular name) who went to Upper Egypt. A local Upper Egyptian man said to him "Ad…
Oh where do I start?
There are 2 major problems in this decision.
1. The recordings of the hymns by the Musical division of the Higher Institute of Coptic Studies do not consistently keep the same pronunciation in all their recordings. For example, …
"It is also a known fact that Byzantine music was originally monophonic and then developed to become polyphonic."Katanikhoros or anyone else, please provide some evidence or reference for this claim. I don't think Byzantine music was monophonic at a…
I'm not commenting on the video. Just the audio. We don't have any audio proof of how hymns were chanted except what is handed down. But since polyphonic is an ancient chant, one wonders if perhaps there has been Coptic hymns that might have been …
Cyril, I hope you realize that when I said " Why don't we just make Bol Evol or Golgotha in Plagal 4th or Tune 3 and drop our current descriptions of Adam/Batos hymns (and of course, drop the white tonias too)? At least if we do this, we'll no longe…
What does "sound natural" mean? To me it doesn't sound natural at all. It sounds foreign, which automatically makes it unnatural.
The main question is why? Polyphonic hymns are completely foreign to Egyptian music (both Christian and Islamic). Takin…
The second part of the name Galeed is the word עד ('ed), meaning witness, which comes from the verb עוד ('ud), meaning to return or repeat:
עוד
The verb עוד ('ud) occurs all over the Semitic language spectrum, in meanings such as to return or repe…
• The feminine noun גלגלת (gulgoleth), meaning skull or head. Note that the noun פנימ (panim), meaning face, comes from the verb פנה (pana), meaning to turn. Also note that in Biblical times the head did not hold the same regard as it does to us tod…
3. Peniel is also the place in Genesis 32 where Jacob wrestled with God. This was at the trans-Jordan by the River Jabbok, where Esau came to capture Jacob. Jacob called that place Peniel "“For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved…
Or you can look up Wiki and get a table for both Western and Eastern Easter dates for the next and previous 20 years.
Keep in mind Easter has to start after the Spring Equinox and no later than the next moon until the year 2400AD. This means Easter…
Here is my short article on the Philosophy of History in the Councils of Egypt in Late Antiquity discussing violence in the Late Antique Egyptian Church. Tell me what you think.
Nice concepts. There is one small problem. The project will never end. Ever. The amount of work needed is so astronomical. In addition to what Mina stated, we have to remember that we don't even have a unified, end-all Bible to begin with. Even the …
Mina, just a small correction. I believe Fr Matta al Maskeen went to Wadi el Rayan in 1960, stayed for 9 years and returned to the monastery of St Macarius Scetis in 1969 under Pope Cyril VI's order. But you're right. The monastery was vacant for ne…