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@ophadece... you're thinking too much about this. It's a simple question...what how does going to church benefit us?! What if we go to church more often?! What if we go to church less...what is changing?!
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@ophadece and @msmekhael ... What is the goal for going to a coptic church and participating in all these rites?
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@ophadece...i don't consider that to be an issue though. You have to consider that the majority of churches outside egypt have one priest each liturgy that may have a huge crowd that need communion (body and blood separately). And sometimes there is…
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I didn't wanna get into this topic because talking about it can be very lengthy. So, for the sake of time and benefit, here are bullet points to consider, and maybe we can answer more specific questions after: + It is very difficult and sometimes ne…
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Liturgies used to ALWAYS be later at night, more towards dawn. So those specific feasts hold the original time of liturgies, while all other liturgies we do now is a change.
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@ReturnOrthodoxy I agree mostly with what you said...but here the discrepancy, the understanding of Christianity and the faith of all non-orthodox is mostly very strong. Most of them do want you to go to their churches/meetings/masses and challenge…
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@Joshuaa aha. ok. But, if by "i wanted that avenue explored more" you mean 'go out and evangelize in such a way, then i would disagree. Just because i don't believe that this is the goal of the clergy being welcoming and loving to everyone, includin…
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@ophadece"Please note that after Christ gave the commandment of loving God and the neighbour he warned his disciples against hypocrisy.. Let's be careful not to compromise on our principles and teachings in the name of loving our neighbours, leading…
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Hi @ReturnOrthodoxy, It's always good to hear from you. So we moved to fathers' canons...which is more debatable actually. Your assumption may not be correct since every word of that canon right there may only interpreted in context of the time and …
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I do. But i really dislike st-takla.org--they think that having a lot of text there without editing it or organizing it in a way easier for the user to read is good enough...i don't agree. But how about this, of all those verses, choose between 5-10…
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Thank you for providing these. Now, please provide Church fathers (forefather or contemporary ones) interpretations for these verses that support what you said. After all, we are the orthodox Church...
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Please share the exact verses refrences.
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I am still waiting for a decent reason why is it problematic or even disallowed for the Pope, or anyone Christian, to enter a mosque or any other place of worship?
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"our spiritual development" is our Christian life. As a Christian, we are not saved by one action or one testimony of faith...but we are Christian and can continue being Christians, that is to continue being saved, by only coming closer to God by ti…
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I am not as defensive, but you are stuck on one or two pieces of knowledge and ignoring the rest that might of been considered in making these changes by the Synod. The only argument we are still getting to not change, more like creating a more fitt…
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Concerning the reading of the Kiahk 23:1- There were MANY katameroses out there...i mean many separate books with different readings for different days and different occasions. We have manuscripts....we have copts and foreign scholars that are worki…
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I am not kidding....the first disclaimer of anyone out there who studies liturgical texts has always to consider the time and place of that specific text or rite being studies. Rites develop as needed. Despite the changes being warranted or not, the…
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What I mentioned is the "current" rite I am not gonna say anything else :-)
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Thanks @ophadece:-) there isn't really any tunes that are "special" other than Eistermagi and its madeeha.
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All hymns are here: http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/cat/76 The liturgies of all 3 days are EXACTLY the same....that goes for rites, hymns and tunes. For Midnight praises staring Eve of Friday (thursday night), it's an annual tasbeha with the followi…
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Introduction & First HoosMondayTuesdaySecond HoosWednesdayThursdayThird HoosCommemorationFridaySaturdayWatos ConclusionFourth HoosSunday Adam Psali AykotiSunday Adam Conclusion
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http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/cat/213
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For those who read arabic:
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You guys are trying to apply historical records standards of current days or even contemporary historians outside the middle east, on a nation that was ruled by the sword for a couple of centuries. I'll look into the matter and find some works conc…
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@ophadece. Nope, i didn't make a mistake. That's one reason there isn't too many manuscripts of it. Manuscripts were very expensive to make and valuable for any Christian to have. So whoever made them for monasteries or churches, only included whate…
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The answer is simple...just different translations. You are comparing liturgical text (Kholagi, psalmody...etc) to the Bible (which is prob SVD printed by the bible society) or agpeya (prob published by maktabit elmahabba...they don't have the same …
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The cantor who constructed the tune is Cantor Mikhail the great. the recording we have is M Tawfik who learned it from M Mikhail.
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I am not sure about HH consecrating the main altar, but i know for sure that almost the entire church was renovated including the altar.
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+1 @minasoliman