"I would say the fight would be about the 29th celebration superseding sunday but not when it comes in weekdays".
Can you clarify? Do you mean readings only or the whole 'celebration', including farayhee etc? If you mean the whole celebration, then…
Are you basically saying that the readings of the 29th supersede the Sunday readings?
You still have not explained why some (educated) people think that it is not celebrated on weekdays (including tunes, readings, responses).
@minatasgeelThere's a program produced by the St Mark's in Michigan that has this info.
@allWhat about the tunes?And is it permitted to say both the responses for 29th and also Kiahk?And would it be je ak tonk or je ak ee?
@lfahmy
This is probably one of the best English resource available (although it also goes a lot into the meaning of each part of the liturgy, not simply the history):
https://s3.amazonaws.com/stmaryscopticorthodox/books/liturgy.pdf
There is also …
@minatasgeel
"And worse of all, you and others refuse to recognize that by claiming that the Church must use the vernacular for the youth and ignore everyone who wants the non-vernacular, is in effect judging and condemning these proponents of the …
@Remnkemi "The revelation of Christ is principally through the words. All the other ways in which Christ is revealed (eg tune, the sound of Coptic) are secondary."
Ok even granted that what I'm saying isn't 100% accurate, it is obvious that:
Words …
@Remnkemi
"God understand what you consider an unintelligible language."
God can also understand the intelligible language.
" Anyone who uses this language you call unintelligible (theoretically) understands the language."
No one in North Americ…
"Even if Coptic chant is unintelligible to everyone, it is still prayer."
Granted, but chanting in an intelligible language is far superior.
"And if you only go and try to love a brother who speaks your own language and not Coptic or Japanese, are…
@Remnkemi
"Have you ever stopped to think that Coptic hymns reveal Christ in a most sublime and profound way that has nothing to do with language?"
This is where I, and most opponents of Coptic, disagree with you. The revelation of Christ is princ…
@minasoliman
"The jurisdiction of the British Orthodox Church extends over the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands."
If it includes Ireland, then it should also logically include an independent Scotland…
@ophadece
Ok I understand you are not talking specifically about Palm Sunday. Are you saying that the correct rite is to chant Epouro and a procession of the offertory from the western door at the beginning of EVERY liturgy? Does that mean you woul…
@avvakarras
Thanks!
So we know the second fraction is written by Anba Raphael? Can anyone who reads Arabic please confirm who wrote the first fraction?
@ophadece
I'm confused, why do you mention Covenant Thursday when I'm talking about Palm Sunday?
@everyone
I now looked at CopticReader and am now even more confused. It has Epouro during the offertory on every festive day. The only difference on …
@minasoliman
In terms of the non-use of contemporary music or musical instruments, I agree, but what do you think of the following:
“To praise God tunefully upon an instrument, such as well-tuned cymbals, CITHARA, or TEN-STRINGED PSALTERY, is, as w…
@mabsoota
The purpose of the conference is to find a spouse, and since the vast majority of Copts are professionals/graduates, there is no point in bringing less qualified people, whom professional Copts will never marry anyway.
As for old people,…
@cyril
I believe that at least one of these fractions (I don't know which - can't read Arabic) was written by HG Bishop Raphael. So that one is definitely not ancient.
Here is a recording of Bishop Raphael praying this fraction: https://soundcloud.…
@ophadece
Great. So this means you're OK with (1) Coptic Orthodox churches, (2) American Orthodox churches and (3) Coptic-American Orthodox churches.
Metouro in the first post mentioned that he/she wanted some Coptic retained. That makes him/her a…
@ophadece
So why are you opposing this then? Some Coptic churches simply wish to cease to be Coptic Orthodox. They want to be American Orthodox instead. Though they may still be called 'Coptic Orthodox' for political reasons, they are functionally …
@ophadece
Enough sarcasm! :)
Actually I don't even agree with any of your sarcasm. Coptic is only a burden for some people so it is not "not but a mere burden".
It should not be abandoned by the Coptic Church, but parts of the Coptic church in th…
@ophadece
I agree Coptic language is important for maintaining a Coptic identity, but whether you like it or not, some people (ie Copts) just don't want to identify as Copts anymore. No matter how hard you try convincing them. They can still be sav…
@minasoliman
Agreed
@ReturnOrthodoxy @minasoliman
The Church in Covina is that of St John, not St Paul. I don't think it is served by any priest that used to post here. I know St Paul's is good and served by Fr Kyrillos, but it is located in Tus…
@antonypaul
We still use some Greek, which is not understood in Egypt, because it was a major language of the apostles, so your point isn't totally watertight.
That being said I largely agree.
@metouro
Be careful what you wish for. Pushing for a…