Hi Stavro, actually, the Syrians did persecute the chalcedonians in parts of Syria but it was on a very minimal scale in comparison to what the government (the empire) was doing back to them. I've read (I think in Al-Masry's) Coptic history of Egypt…
[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=11593.msg139593#msg139593 date=1308184411]
The Imperial = the Byzantine Church through those eras.
The Church gave sanction and participated in these genocides. A given general also had a dual role as a bisho…
Also, the beautiful sound the censer makes as it passes us by is to remind us of the Gospel which the Apostles preached to all the lands they visited...so when Abouna goes all around the church not only does he entreat us to unite our prayers all to…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11687.msg140174#msg140174 date=1308923166]
If Adam did not know what death was, how would God have forewarned him of something he had never heard of?
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Well, this is my own speculation/understanding of it: …
I wonder what the Coptic church's relation with the St. Catherine's Greek Orthodox monastery in Sinai? Does anybody know if we have (Coptic) monasteries nearby St. Catherines? In my opinion, it would be very cool if the Coptic and the Greek monks co…
you should seriously sit down and talk with them and ask them if they trust you and if not why not? If they know for sure you are 'smart' and know your limits in all things they'll eventually open up and trust you.
Guys, or should I say girls?? :) Don't make things so complicated! Listening to songs, going out with friends (to normal places), going to a concert, watching movies, these are all good things. I was never raised to fear or shun these things. As muc…
As a kid, I always wondered: what happened to the Garden of Eden? Where did it go? Where did the flaming sword go? Otherwise, is part of it allegorical/symbolic?
wow, thats so cool, I wonder where I can hear this hymn?
As for the Greek, its correct to say our Coptic Rite/Alexandrian Ritual was done originally in Greek...to say we used Greek liturgies is more what the Arabic speaking Rum Orthodox (Antiochian…
Alithos Anesti, mabsoota, thats ok to be confused, it takes time to know the difference between the Coptic and Greek at first. However, that is not my issue. I was trying to find out what the difference in pronounciation between Sahidic versus Bohai…
Elladitsa, you speak of the Greeks like Jews speak of themselves. Also, the Greeks were not chosen to be God's people. I hope you know that. On the day of Pentecost, the believers spoke many languages inspired by the gift of the Holy Spirit. Further…
I am a bit confused, so th hymns in our church which we assume are Sahidic are actually 'proper' Bohairic? For example, I was under the impression that the hymn Tenen is made up of Greek, Bohairic, and Sahidic...also, is the proper Bohairic pronounc…
[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=11439.msg138484#msg138484 date=1306270183]
An epsaltos is not tonsured.
The rank of Reader is tonsured.
An epsaltos is not ordained, he is given prayers and dispensation.
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Really, a psaltos is not t…
[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=11439.msg138468#msg138468 date=1306256183]
The diaconate is mostly a joke [sorry to say and sorry to put it that way] in the Coptic Church--a bad joke at that.
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Its true and its a shame. We must try t…
AFAIK, the hand censers are used for semi-liturgical prayer. This could be prayer done in the home, at the gravesite, etc. Basically not for use in typical liturgical services within a church. The only time I've seen it being used in the EO church s…
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Mabsoota, you are absolutely right. Actually I am Coptic Orthodox but I took theological st…
Mabsoota, you are absolutely right. Actually I am Coptic Orthodox but I took theological studies at an Eastern Orthodox Academy and I participate in the Greek and Antiochian Orthodox churches events from time to time. I brought some other Copts and …
I tried it once while serving at the altar and the priest seemed offended that I didn't do a full bow. I told him later about the rule but he brushed it off saying things change over time...unfortunately it seems we are in dire need of catechizing o…
Ok this is gonna sound blunt but we're all gonna die anyways right? And the world isn't necessarily becoming a better place as time goes on. I'm not trying to be a fatalist or anything but our Lord did say to us that we are blessed when people insul…
Hmm, I'm not sure what the problem or the 'fear' is. Obviously you wouldn't put incense on while watching a movie but during prayers is something different. If we were to light candles before our icons and put a bit of incense on the burning coal, i…
In the Eastern Orthodox church, the order is slightly opposite. The priest or bishop would be the one to hold the relic or icon while the altar servers ("deacons") would cense it. This is because the object being held is considered 'more important' …
very interesting discussion! I wanted to make a note however that there is a difference between doing a metanoia and bowing (unless I am greatly mistaken). As far as I have read and have generally known, the regular Sunday bowing (during the consecr…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11208.msg136240#msg136240 date=1303167499]
Actually in the first couple centuries, nothing ritually (liturgical) was written down.
This is incorrect. We have manuscripts with the Church rituals ....
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11208.msg136155#msg136155 date=1302978125]
That is just one manuscript.
Fr. Peter,
I am not sure what you mean by just one manuscript. So, it is not true if it only one manuscript?
All of our liturgical rituals, …
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My church sings it after the sixth hour (or is it the ninth hour?) in between the sermon.
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I'm really beginner in prayer as Im still learning very slowly but I found in my own experience that my deepest times of prayer have been a combination of three elements:
1.) liturgical prayers/from the Agpeya etc.
2.) worship ie. tasbeha, tamge…
The problem with it is that the altar represents the kingdom of heaven and the throne of God...when most people think of these realities, a computer screen doesnt usually come to mind (at least I hope not :). The altar is where the Holy Sacrament(s)…
[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11208.msg135479#msg135479 date=1302206592]
"So what do the priests wear? Do they wear the purple bornoses or their regular black vestments?"
it's a funeral.....no liturgical vestments for priests....bournoses ar…
[quote author=gregorytheSinner link=topic=10916.msg132194#msg132194 date=1299450770]
Not an atrocity in the sense of human deaths, but
I've read somewhere (and this a highly debatable subject, NOT a fact. Infact, many historians disagree with it …