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How Priests and Preachers Enter Islam
http://www.islamyesterday.com/videos/priests_preachers.htm
link i found today, of this american priest who converted........
mush 7aram keda..ya3ni?
watch, and post what you think..of these people especially PRIESTS AND PREACHERS.....
MasrII
link i found today, of this american priest who converted........
mush 7aram keda..ya3ni?
watch, and post what you think..of these people especially PRIESTS AND PREACHERS.....
MasrII
Comments
A protestant american priest converts to Islam? So what?
Number 1 sheikhs and imams convert to Christianity all the time. Twice in the past 15 years i believe, 2 of the biggest sheikhs of al-azhar university - the biggest islamic unviersity in the world, became Christian. They had to leave the country for their lives.
If there's any Copt here from South Africa or England, im sure you would have heard of Mark Gabriel. He used to be an Imam of al-Giza Mosque, and an Islamic PROFESSOR, a scholar of Islam, who is now a Coptic Christian. He also left Egypt for his life after his conversion. He has written books debunking Islam, you can find them on amazon.com, just type in "Mark Gabriel".
There was also Muslim theologian and imam Ak-Beket of Kazakhstan who converted to Orthodox Christianity in 1998.
An america protestant priest converting to Islam means nothing in light of all this. Most priests are accepted into certain ministriues without even having a formal education in Christianity.
That's just not faith then...it's an unwilling conscience.
Safe
MasrII
being a pastor in churches other than ours is like having a bussiness or a cariear so their first concern is about the money ....
that guy never left the christ because he was never a real christian ...... but the questian is are we???????????????? ???
[move] ;D[/move]
Second, if some people " like Saudi Arabia offers millions of dollars to the weak in faith, one of them may converts and this is the situation described in this thread. We Copts should not worry about such stories because thoes who converted were not real christian from the start.
just my thots haha
aghape,
chris
okay, I watched about ummmm 3 sec. oh sorry actully 2 sec. of this stupid thing... ummm the last time I checked, this site we are on is a coptic Christian site... why in the world are we talking about anything else... if I wanna learn about islam I'll go to a muslim site and learn there... but I am just sick of this... almost every coptic site I go to there is a fight about islam, or some mish aref eh about islam... who cares about islam, we are Christians...
one HEARTY AMMEN.
no wander i neva posted on dis thread.
AMENNNNNNNNNNNNN
thanx alot
Do you think speaking the truth is wrong?Is it hypocritical?
Islam is evil.Pure and simple.Anyone who knows anything about the religion knows I speak the truth.We're commanded by God to expose evil wherever we find it.To be silent is disobedience to God.
We need to pray for Muslims.We need to witness to Muslims.We need to love Muslims.As children of the Light we must hate evil.We must expose the darkness at every opportunity.
This modern attitude of never speaking out against other religions,lest by doing so we somehow offend them,or that it's somehow unchristian,is completely bogus and does not reflect true christianity.God does not want us to be spiritual "wimps",politically correct cowards,but rather we are commanded in Holy Scripture "to earnestly contend for the faith"... But let everything be done in the spirit of love and gentleness.
God's peace be to you. :)
And as I said earlier,"Do all things in the spirit of love.Try to be gentle and kind whenever possible.There are times when a christian must be "steel and iron" when confronting evil.
I quess you dont really read my posts or maybe it's just that you dont like it when someone contradicts your"notion",your human reasoning,about the true nature of christianity.
How many times do I have to explain my position? Over and over I've stated that we need to love Muslims and witness to them about our Lord Jesus Christ.But Islam,as a religion,is evil,false,deceptively leading people down the road to Hell.
Your problem is that you dont take evil seriously nor do you care what God thinks about it.If you cant express or feel strong emotion about the things of God,or about the hideous nature of evil;then I feel very sorry for you.
Let me repeat myself.Love the sinner but hate the sin.You seem to think christianity teaches "love the sin in order to save the sinner".
My position is based on the Bible.My actions are based on the life of my Lord and His holy Apostles.If you truly knew the power of evil you would hate it with all your heart.But you dont.
Let me repeat myself.Please listen. "Love the sinner,hate the sin".Dont sugar coat the sin.Speak the truth.Pray for your enemies.Love your enemies.But that doesnt mean compromise the truth.Real love never compromises the truth of God.
Do you think speaking the truth is wrong?Is it hypocritical?
Islam is evil.Pure and simple.Anyone who knows anything about the religion knows I speak the truth.We're commanded by God to expose evil wherever we find it.To be silent is disobedience to God.
We need to pray for Muslims.We need to witness to Muslims.We need to love Muslims.As children of the Light we must hate evil.We must expose the darkness at every opportunity.
This modern attitude of never speaking out against other religions,lest by doing so we somehow offend them,or that it's somehow unchristian,is completely bogus and does not reflect true christianity.God does not want us to be spiritual "wimps",politically correct cowards,but rather we are commanded in Holy Scripture "to earnestly contend for the faith"... But let everything be done in the spirit of love and gentleness.
God's peace be to you. :)
YAY good stuff "sweet 1" i agree wit that 100% good stuff bro
sorri if i offended u psalmist
GBU ALWAYS PPLZ
+FROG+
Another problem lets say I am a Christian, who just loves God... (which I am) and I see something stupid like that... don’t you think I'll start doubting God... and his Glory... thus a Christian site is becoming a stumbling block... to me that sounds like its something against the teaching of the church, the apostles, and the GOD.
Forgive me Guys… I think we take it too far with studying other religions, but never spend the time studying our own.
Thanks "little sis"... ;D You always know how to make my day...lol....You still are and always will be "the cool one" LOL ;)
There's nothing to forgive.You were just voicing your opinion and I respect that.I also admire your willingness to love and forgive your enemies.That is the true way of Jesus our Lord.Keep it up. :)...I hope you were'nt offended by anything I said...after re-reading my post it appears I might have come across as a little harsh.Forgive me.
I agree with you.In fact I didnt even watch the video about the priest converting to Islam.I think it's a complete waste of time and possibly a stumbling block to those christians weak in faith.The point I was trying to get across is that Islam is an evil religion that is leading many "good" people astray.People God loves and cares about.We should never be afraid to speak the truth and expose Islam for what it truly is:a deceptive religion keeping people from finding salvation in Christ.The Muslims we need to love and pray for but the the belief system known as Islam we must hate and despise for the simple reason that it keeps human beings from encountering the true and living God.We dont hate people{all of us are sinners and have been decieved at one time or another}but we do hate a religion that kills innocent people in the name of a false god.We do hate a religion that keeps people from the true God.
Of course we shouldnt talk about other religions all the time but when the subject comes up in conversation we shouldnt be afraid to speak the truth.We need to tell it like it is.After all, christian apologetics is a big part of our faith.We are commanded by God to preach and teach the Gospel to all nations,making disciples,baptising,etc.
When we encounter certain belief systems that oppose or even persecute the christian faith then we must be ready to proclaim our faith with love,truth and spiritual boldness.If the Holy Spirit is with us we will successfully refute all teaching contrary to the Gospel of God.
I agree with you socoolbishoy.
but guess what it isn't .
if any muslem asked me i will be more than happy to do my best answering them questions but my first consern is to do fruites gets me to heaven .....................................................................................................................
The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.If your not "in Christ" then you will never enter Heaven though you perform 10,000 good deeds.You can produce no good fruit apart from Christ.As Jesus Himself said,"I am the vine,you are the branches....As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself,unless it abides in the vine,neither can you,unless you abide in me....Whoever abides in me and I in him,he it is that bears much fruit,for apart from Me you can do NOTHING.....If anyone does not abide in Me he is thrown away like a branch and withers:and the branches are gathered,thrown into the fire,and burned".
Any fruit outside of Christ is worthless.If your not actively witnessing by word and deed for your Lord Jesus Christ then you are disobedient to the commands of the LORD.If you are more worried about your own personal welfare{hiding your talent in the ground}instead of doing your best to preach and teach the Gospel of God,then your christianity is a facade,a sham, and not true Holy Spirit christian living.Remember the parable of the talents:it was not the one who hid his talent{selfishly concerned with his own person} but rather those faithful workers who used their talents in the cause of their Master who were commended and praised by their Lord.True christianity is aggressive in preaching the truth of God,yearning that all creation hear the good news of salvation found in Christ Jesus alone.There is no other Name under Heaven by which mankind may be saved.The Church of God is bold in their Divine mandate and the gates of Hell in no way will prevail against them.Amen! God is great!
When we abide "in Christ" we have no worry about our salvation because we rest in the bosom of the" Beloved One",our life is hid with Christ in the everlasting arms of the eternal Father.Perfect love casts out all fear.Therefore there is no longer any condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
When we abide "in Him" we actively seek the well being and welfare of every living creature above that of our own.We empty ourselves{as Christ emptied Himself taking the form of a servant}seeking to serve rather than to be served;our sole ambition is to be an instrument in the hands of the kind God.
Does that mean I need to go on the street corners and cry with the loudest of my voice, "EVERYONE WILL GO TO HELL, THE ONLY WAY OUT IS JESUS, PRAISE JESUS." ummm if we do that... we are hypocrites... if we do that we are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught us. Christianity is never aggressive in teaching, or anything else... Christianity teaches us to teach those who want to learn... not forcing our thoughts down their throats.
Also maybe I am not ready, or well equipped to talk to a person about the faith, does that mean I am not a Christian? It’s just like saying a 5 year old will go to war... is that fair? Also does that mean this 5 year old is not a citizen of the country, because he is not fighting in war?
With all due respect,since you are my friend and christian brother,I have to strongly disagree with you.Why you think it's hypocritical to stand up and preach Jesus Christ,whether in the streets,in the classroom,the workplace,wherever,is beyond me.I cant even begin to fathom where you came up with that idea.God commands us to preach the Gospel to every creature under heaven,in all circumstances,in all conditions,as God gives us opportunities for the effectual preaching of the Holy Gospel.In fair weather or foul,in time of peace or time of war,under threat of persecution or with complete sanction by those in authority,God commands all christians to witness,preach and teach the Good News of Jesus Christ.Have you ever read the book of Acts? Did not the blessed Apostles,evangelists and oher men of God not preach the gospel of God at every opportunity?Did Paul preach only in snyagogues or did he not preach Christ by the river{a few women;the woman Lydia recieving Christ},on Mars Hill,in rented teaching halls{classrooms of Greek rhetoric,etc.}before councils,kings and govenors,a jailer and his family,before crowds of pagan greeks{who proclaimed Paul and his companion greek gods...lol}etc,etc,etc.The fact is that all the Apostles,evangelists,teachers,preachers,men and woman of God,proclaimed Jesus Christ whenever and wherever they could.The Word of the Lord prevailed mightily.The Gospel was spread far and wide.THE EARLY CHRISTIANS NEVER WAITED TO SHARE THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.They preached boldly the message of salvation everywhere with great effectiveness and power.They were co-workers with God fullfilling the Divine mandate "that all men everywhere should repent and turn to the living God".They were not passive but were like the servants inthe parable{speaking of God}who's master commanded them to COMPEL people to come to His banquet feast.I dont know where you get the idea that christianity is passive.True christianity is never passive or complacent because God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.The word of God says,"How can they believe unless they hear the preaching of the Word,and how can they preach unless they are sent".All christians are sent by God to proclaim and witness the Gospel of Christ by word and deed.In season and out.
Your attitude displayed on the subject does not conform to Apostolic teaching nor to the missionary activity of the christian church during the last 2000 years.Jesus said the end will come when His Gospel is preached to every nation.By your standard the end will never come.I say that with all due respect and brotherly love in the spirit of correction. God bless.Prosper in all things.The peace of God be with you my brother. :)