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Imikhail, That is not the definition of transubstantiation. I already explained the meaning of substance, and gave a reference to a catholic cardinals explanation of how substance does not imply a change in the physical constituents. I think it's c…
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imikhail, Please don't be vague. Saying they carry different meanings doesn't add to the conversation at all. Your words were, "they both have meanings that conflict with the church's understanding." I want you to prove this right now. I don't wan…
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Zoxasi (Your new name is to long lol) Indeed, it may have not looked that good, but we also have to consider the effect that missing the Ethiopian Patriarch's enthronement and attending the Roman pontiff's enthronement would have on the unity withi…
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Theophilus, and imikhail, I think you may have passed over Bibo's point. Terms and the terms used to define certain things are constantly changing and being adopted in the church. For example, Athanasius use of "Homo-ousios" would have never have …
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Theophilus, Thanks, but please don't take my word for it. I was just saying it as I understood it. I'm sure you know enough theology to understand and teach me, but I was just putting forth what I understood. Thanks for listening though, and its…
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Theophilus, I'm not sure that this is the meaning of transubstantiation. It is a little more platonic than that. The Greeks defined objects as having two components - the substance and the accidents. The substance would be the "core" or "essence" of…
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[quote author=Monasticsx link=topic=14366.msg164156#msg164156 date=1365639552] [quote author=dthoxsasiPhilanethrope link=topic=14366.msg164152#msg164152 date=1365624743] How comes our pope didn't go to the enthronement of pope Francis then?? Was he…
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The EO patriarch went to the enthronement. This is merely expanding relationships and us OO saying "Don't forget about us." Unity is not really a point of discussion here, and maybe not anymore. It has been discussed forever, and no moving forward.…
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We also prayed with Protestants, and had prayer meeting with them. From the perspective of law, prying with ptoestants is no different from praying with Muslims. Both worship a God they do not know, rejecting the truth of the true God (since this is…
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That flowchart is bogus. Let me give you an example of how this is mere bigotry: Look up Francis Collins (known as Mr. DNA) Science enriches religion and religion enriches science. Both are the work of the word of God. The gospel is the inspired wo…
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Abouna Athanasius is a genius. On this point, however, I disagree with him.
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We are Oriental Orthodox, the Eastern are Eastern Orthodox. Severian, you've jumped to the conclusion a litle too fast that we have a monopoly on Orthodoxy. This thread is seeking out that answer. We are indeed "Orientals" and at the rate we are…
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LOL. Severian, at least you know what I mean lol. Oh well, Rem, I have a response to you analysis (it goes along the style of "you over analysed the words of St. Severus.") He clearly didn't have any of your science in mind lol. Iwill respond as s…
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Divisive, foolish, and another Fr. Athanasius Henein train wreck. I wonder what he calls the OO now. Monophysites? Just like that traitor Athanasius Henein. RO
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"The activity of each form is what is proper to it in communion with the other: that is, the Word performs what belongs to the Word, and the flesh accomplishes what belongs to the flesh. One of these performs brilliant miracles; the other sustains a…
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Anyways... Lets move on to the point Stavro, you have yet to chime in.
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LOL IP, So is Russian ORthodoxy ok? Because that is a form of EOoxy. So it is not the EO in general you have a problem iwht, just certain rites (like the Antiochian.) If that is so, I agree with you.
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Agape, Metouro My premis has always been the following: We cannot create unity. All we can do is realize that it has always existed and we just were blind to it. So we are not looking to "unite" per se. The Chalcedonians are correct in saying that…
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"For each form does what is proper to it with the co-operation of the other; that is the Word performing what appertains to the Word, and the flesh carrying out what appertains to the flesh." Excellent, and I knew that this was going to be the quote…
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Awesome reply Rem, Finally, we can begin a discussion on thefacts at hands. I will reply in a couple of hours, after I do a little studying. Hopefully, since those who have commented on the thread so far are all mature and intelligent beings, we c…
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1) Says that our Lord Jesus Christ is divided between the Word and the flesh (see the tome of Leo) Where in the Tome of Leo does it say that Christ is divided as two persons? I have read the Tome of Leo, and I find it full reconcilable with the Chri…
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Agape, Lettuce, I know the pain of depression all too well. It is a haunting pain, which makes it difficult to sleep, eat, or remain awake. The feeling most consistent with this pain is a desire hide and become minute. I feel this is reflected by …
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Frankly, I don't see why everyone is so desperate for unity with the Chalcedonians. Not to be rude, but who cares what they think of us? If they want to view us as heretics, that's their prerogative. Our Saints and our Church have traditionally deem…
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It's Thoxasi where the th is pronounced like the word "this."
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Servos, I LOVE the EO church. In fact, I am a great admirer of all things EO. Please don't take my post offensivley. I LOVE THE EO :D
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Servos, From a historical perspective, take a look at the Council of Constantinople! The council almost LITERALLY UNDID Chalcedon! [li]The Letter of Ibas (which was considered Orthodox in Chalcedon) was later rejected as heretical in Constantino…
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Thank for asking Altair! All is well on my end :D Ray
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The goal of Christian life is to seek God. We must look diligently for God, wherever he may be waiting for us to experience him. The experience of God takes on many forms, and it is clear that you desire to seek God in an Orthodox community. Like yo…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13898.msg163837#msg163837 date=1363647007] One more thing. If we assume Phelonion is borrowed into Coptic (and I don't think it ever was) and we apply OB pronunciation with the similar dropping of the Greek suffix, …
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What? The pallium does not cover the entire body. Dude, are you using google? Search omophorion or Pallium and you get nothing that looks like a cape. An omophorion (in the Eastern church) is a thicker Pallium (Western). Pallium Omophorium Sorr…