9) Some of the MANY verses about the Divinity of Christ:
ROMANS 9:3-5
“… my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service …
[quote author=+Marmar+ link=topic=13091.msg153761#msg153761 date=1332872667]
Hi,
I would like to convince a muslim that Jesus is God. Someone sent me a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc and he wanted my opion on it. I told him that n…
I think what is happening is a strange acceptance of the idea that the Church Fathers and Orthodox Theology is heavily influenced by Plato and Greek philosophy instead of Biblical anthropology.
If this is accepted then they also have to accept th…
[quote author=mikeforjesus link=topic=12724.msg154123#msg154123 date=1333433795]
How do we make sense of the doctrine of the last judgement and people entering paradise straight after they die?
How could they be afraid if they already know they are…
[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=12724.msg154127#msg154127 date=1333437195]
This is a very serious error indeed which is being propagated by a few.
Please listen to my podcast here...
http://orthodoxfaith.podbean.com/2012/01/27/the-intermedia…
Many modern Fathers, including the late Rev. Fr. Alexander Schmmemann 's metaphysics, such as those espoused at www.schmemann.org/byhim/thechristianconceptofdeath.html seem to convey that there is no such thing as living as a conscious spirit in j…
[quote author=LookingInDesire link=topic=12889.msg151637#msg151637 date=1328841095]
I also don't believe we should believe in the eternal nature of the soul in that sense. All that is created lives and is sustained by God. We can only be eternal …
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12883.msg151520#msg151520 date=1328554919]
... we say that the two natures united together without altering each other, without mingling and without changing. Both formed the will of the God incarnate.
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So…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12883.msg151520#msg151520 date=1328554919]
The reason we reject the Council of Chalcedon is because of this separation.
It is very dangerous to speak of the two wills because doing so would destroy the doctrine o…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12883.msg151530#msg151530 date=1328559894]
[quote author=metouro link=topic=12883.msg151528#msg151528 date=1328559576]
Chalcedonians maintain that the fact that Christ is in two minds or intellects is not Nestorian …
Chalcedonians maintain that the fact that Christ is in two minds or intellects is not Nestorian and here is why: The Mind is not the person, but a power of the nature, which is why there is only one intellect in the Trinity. To say that that there …
If as Copts we agree that Christ has the full power of human choice, then Chalcedonians ask why we decline saying he has two wills? What else is the human power of choice than a human will? Why implicitly retain the idea that the will is hypostatic…
Since Chalcedonians deny that the Nous is the person saying taht there are two minds in Christ in no way could imply that there were two persons.
In point of fact, Apollinariaus took there to be nous in a higher and lower sense, the former being di…
[quote author=George_Mina_Awad link=topic=12883.msg151521#msg151521 date=1328556081]
imikhail, so how would you explain Christ's prayer in Matthew 26:39?:
"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but a…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12883.msg151520#msg151520 date=1328554919]
The reason we reject the Council of Chalcedon is because of this separation.
It is very dangerous to speak of the two wills because doing so would destroy the doctrine o…
It has been said that "will always goes with nature. Otherwise the Most holy Trinity is three gods, not one. In other words in Orthodox theology these two go together- Holy Trinity- one nature- one will; Christ- two natures- two wills. Just as the …
[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=12724.msg149537#msg149537 date=1324941823]
Why should we not say that a soul which used to be associated with a body is now with Christ? [/quote]
I tend to agree.
If we ARE conscious immediately after death …
Here are some points that I feel conclusively show that soul sleep or lack of conscousness immediately after death is a heresy:
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The book of Ecclesiastes expresses the views of a man who sees life without God as vanity and sees the dead as knowi…
Unlike Biboboy's belief that the departed in Christ are not happy and comforted in Paradise before the resurrection becasue they need their bodies in order to be conscious.
His Reverece Father Thomas Hopko believes that the Bible and Orthodox techi…
For the purpose of this thread, we can treat the soul and the spirit interchangeably as the core of what we are trying to get at is whether we have wakeful consciousness immediately after death.
Biboboy stated that it is fantasy or a lie to tell so…
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12724.msg149515#msg149515 date=1324890357]
A good understanding of these verses should answer your topic.
Matthew 27
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the…
[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12724.msg149477#msg149477 date=1324789967]we tend to "comfort" people who lost a family member or a close friend by telling them that the soul of the departed person is in paradise. Even though its intended as "comfo…
[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12724.msg149480#msg149480 date=1324825781]
What we know has been revealed to us by Christ, and it is what we read in Scripture, recite in the Creed, and chant in the liturgical services: that after death, there is l…
[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12724.msg149477#msg149477 date=1324789967]
... No where in Scripture do we find that the immortal soul does or needs to live apart from the mortal body... Platonism and other pagan ideas did creep into Christianity,…
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Christ stated that Lazarus' soul was carried by the angels to be with Abraham and was in comfort while the rich man went to Hades.
Whenevr Christ spoke in parables he used real objects and events that e…
When we pray the Agpia during evening prayes we ask St. Mary to " attend to me at my soul's departure from my body. Shut fast the gates of hell lest they swallow my soul"
St Antonius speaks of seeing demons attempting to frighten and prevent souls…
[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=12724.msg149477#msg149477 date=1324789967]
Agape,
I'll have to apologize about not reading your whole post in detail, nor did I listen to the podcast by Fr. Thomas Hopko that you linked in your post (I will listen t…